Are completely. Where, where the democrats dominate, but in general mitch mccon, the leader of the republicans, is ready for a bipartisan deal ; as we know, there are fierce debates in the lower house, where they do not want to allocate additional money to us foreign programs, where they want to make cuts. Pentagon, that is , there such radical things sound like for example, to reduce the salary of the head of the pentagon to one dollar, well, this does not fit into any framework at all, right, well, that is , these people, in fact, they are ready to stand until the last, as far as i know, american departments are already preparing to stop programs, freeze them for about 2 weeks, they wont be able to come to an agreement before that, for those of our viewers who dont understand what it means to close the american government, this doesnt mean that they will literally put locks on the offices and everyone will be fired, this a little more complicated, right . Yes, yes, absolutely right, its just that people who work in the government, for example, and those who ensure flight safety, yes, thats what the federal air transport agency does here, and this is what the socalled. Faa in the usa does, thats it these people will work, but they will work without wages, until the moment when the government and , respectively, the senate and congress agree on what to do in this situation, that is, in fact, people will work for free, this is big blow to american families, and those who work with the government, and people, for people who work under contracts, and this is a blow to the us economy, because, for example, hotel reservations, conferences are cancelled, the government makes a very large contribution to the development of american gdp, therefore these will be very big losses and i think that the republicans on the far right need to remember this, they will lose more than they save, well, this will put pressure on them to agree, but this may, as you rightly said, be some that time although in fact everything is clear that nothing is clear, but there was the first attempt, in the house of representatives, to reduce or even stop military assistance to ukraine, as i understand, this attempt did not end in success, but more than 100 congressmen from the Republican Party voted for it , tell us and give your assessment, is this something significant . Yes, absolutely right, this is a significant shift in attitude towards ukraine, as we remember, the previous emergency aid package was usually supported by a majority of the house representatives, but about 4030, 50 rightwing republicans did not support this agenda, now we are talking about , accordingly, this support has fallen by half, yes, so i think that we will witness gradual reductions in aid to ukraine, completely abandon now, of course, republicans and democrats cant, because firstly, they dont like to admit their mistakes, and secondly, i think they understand perfectly well that this will do even more, cause more damage than it will bring any positive changes because well completely abandoning ukraine is called radicalizing an already radicalized state, yes, so i think it will be very soft. Process and but it absolutely obviously exists and we are, of course , most likely moving towards some kind of compromise on this issue . And lastly, yesterday there was a debate between republican politicians who are vying for the president ial nomination of the Republican Party. And what i believe is that trump did not participate there, because he believes that he is so ahead. That he had no need for this, expected that if he did, he would become a prime target. In short, without him, the debates, well, did not become a big event, but someone still somehow stood out, took the lead, and if there is someone, what are their views . Oh, well, i, i watched the debate, in general , i read, the press about what happened on the. Stage yesterday in california at the Reagan Library , and some contenders for the nomination actually won; the winner was ron desans, who more actively articulated his position as florida, yes, yes, the governor of florida, he is in second place with a large gap from donald trump, there are about 40 points, or even a little more, but he is second. The absolute favorite of the Republican Party, yesterday he performed very brightly, i would say, but he also managed, managed to promote his agenda and there was clear respect for him on the part of other candidates, but nicky haley, who was also called a favorite, a potential contender for the nomination, perhaps even Vice President under donald trump, if he wins, she was of course lost yesterday lost from the point from the point from the perspective of her emotions, she was so upset yesterday at her opponents that, well, not only my opinion, but also the opinion of others, that she , of course, yesterday failed the second debate, well to be clear about this, she was the ambassador of the united states, the United Nations organization nations, and was my main conservative. If i may say so, to critics of russia in the trump administration, did she somehow voice these views yesterday . Yes, quite obviously, she was attacking vivica ramaswamy, and when it started, the discussion about ukraine began, ron desantis somehow slipped through, managed to express his position, saying that this war is not beneficial for us, i will do everything. In order to stop it, in case of victory, vivik kromoswamy tried to support ron santis, saying that well, look, we are not defending democracy at all, we are defending a country in which about eleven opposition parties have been closed, here we are in a race nicky halley started screaming , former Vice President pence began to support her, in general, a terrible cacophony began and. They were forced to stop this discussion, well, in general, yesterday there was such an uncontrolled discussion, it was difficult to understand at all what the candidates thought on this or that topic, because they constantly interrupted each other, but not at all in the context of reagan, yes, reagan conducted his discussions completely differently, well, with reagan there was a principle that he would not attack his other competitors, this covenant is completely ignored, but at the end of our program , i want to say the obvious, we talked a lot, talked about history, in general, it is relatively recent, only 30 years back to historically speaking, this is not very much, and the main conclusion that i draw for myself is that russia really, russia. Which went through very serious trials in the nineties, russia had great luck, it managed to avoid a civil war , and such a danger really existed, the fact is that in russia today there is political stability, that the idea of a civil war is simply not discussed, because there is no reason for it, this is , of course, a very important and. Very positive factor. Ekaterina, thank you, it was great game, well see you next week. Hello friends, this is a podcast about the life of the wonderful with you, me, its host, writer alexey varlamov, my guest is vladimir romanovich ligoida, whom im even afraid to introduce, he has so many positions and responsibilities. And a journalist, professor mgemo , editorinchief of the magazine thomas, chairman of the senodal department for interaction between church and society, head of the press service of the holy patriarch, public figure, religious figure. Vladimir ivanovich, how did you come to live like this, thats what i need to know first of all, its interesting, i want to say that you have no less responsibilities and positions, dear alexey nikolaevich, well, now im asking a question, i represent you, yes, yes, yes, well, somehow you know, by the way, im here recently i thought in connection with one date in my life that somehow everything turned out quite naturally for me, but i still read teaching in my main incarnation, i really wanted to teach, i started teaching while still a student, well, that happens sometimes we have such stories, and actually at the institute i lived and i continue to live there, and then when the patriarch turned this professional movement of life so abruptly, he gave me such an honor by inviting me. To create a department, new at that time, information, well, with the magazine it also happened somehow very naturally, back in students, in senior years, we came up with a form, and at first volodya gurbolikov and i, you know well, at first we were with the editors, then i immediately became the editorinchief, so when i work at the journalism department, i always say that its difficult for me about some journalistic things to say, because i immediately became the chief, my first position was editorinchief right away, so Something Like that, you dont know what . Interesting, because, as far as i understand, you were not born in moscow, far from moscow , in the north of kazakhstan, in kustan, and you studied there, then after graduating from school, you entered mgemo, the second time, anyway, i would like to dwell on at this moment , yes, for me mgemo, it was generally something transcendental, im just that in maggemot only because of connections, only there are children from some families, thats how the idea came into your head that why exactly magimon , mom, mom, wanted, mom wanted, as they say, i once joked that out of obedience, i, i wanted to go to the faculty of philosophy, moscow state university, msu, but first urga, first to serdlovsk, to yekaterinburg, i even went there as a schoolboy, i had some conversations, but everyone said that it was impossible, thats exactly what you just said, what is it, but the first time it didnt work out, you say, the first time it didnt work out, for me there was a medal, medalists back then had to confirm the medal with two exams, and i wrote an essay for five, which does not happen , so to speak, i passed english for four, in general, you were stabbed to death in english, well, i wasnt stabbed, i didnt know objectively, of course, and i had to take it further, then there were five exams, and i ended up scoring 22 points , i needed 23, that is, the passing score turned out to be 23, and you still took the risk of going there again a year later , but somehow i got it i was already preparing, preparing, working in parallel for several months, although in an ambulance as an orderly, well, in general, i watched life, so to speak. Angles in different optics, they got in, yes, i got in, since the medal was still valid, i got two as, i got in, yes, but im still very interested, because as far as i understand, it was a terribly interesting time, it was the end of the eighties, the beginning of the nineties an extremely interesting time, because i entered as a citizen of the ussr, by the end of the first semester i became a foreigner and in general everything was incomprehensible, although you know, here i am i was thinking about it recently, when we were talking to students, i talked about their time , this is what they are going through now, and i understand that we didnt feel all this drama that we are talking about now, the collapse of the soviet union, then, and what did you feel, this is really very interesting to me, this feeling that we are living in an era of change, but everything is changing before our eyes, what will happen next no one knows, this is a parting with the past, these are some kind of rallies. Then the august peak of the ninety first year there or vice versa october ninetythird . How did you perceive it all then . This will sound strange, i was never interested in politics, having graduated from a Political University and defended myself in political science, somehow, well , it was always less interesting to me, and in august i remember that i had just returned to kostanay, my dads apiary was, and now there is, and here we are going, we just remember a difficult evening, we pumped out honey, im still hurting, those bees there, that means theyve stung you, everything is very painful, we turn on the radio, and i tell dad, dad, dont turn it on , i say, already, he says, well, you what if we miss something important, i say, well, what could be important, thats what s there now on the eighteenth and august 19th. Yes, yes, and he turns it on, so we hear, he says, you see, son, and you said , it means nothing, so, and in ninetythree years i was studying in the states as an exchange student, i remember that i succeeded on completely legal grounds to escape from some lecture, because i approached a professor, in northern california, it was at the university, i say, you heard what is happening in our country, yes, i say, you know, let me go, please, i have to see whats going on, he says, yes, yes, of course , go, here, and then here we are, but it was completely curious, because i left, here it turns out from one side, returned to the other in every sense. And now, how do you perceive all this . Now, you know, i perceive this through the prism in general, here are thoughts about how much a person, humanity, society, i dont know, academic circles, are able to, being in the moment, assess the situation, or is it Still Necessary historical distance. There is such an imperative requirement for assessment, well, firstly, because we dont know the consequences, but when everyone says today that the events taking place are toric, i understand perfectly well that this is so, but i also perfectly understand that we dont understand , firstly, not knowing the consequences, yes, being in the process, we still cannot evaluate it, and it seems to me that this is both not given and impossible for a person, i think a lot, i cant say, i think deeply, but still periodically im asking this question, about the importance of historical distance and what else is needed to evaluate events, but it just seems to me that almost no one imagined that the soviet union would collapse, when now people say, yes, we knew everything, we always knew, there were different ones, i understand, there were forecasts, there were some of these, but then in the moment, so i listened, recently there were lectures there by our outstanding historians, who, frankly, well, no one expected this, returning to your question, me. Friends, we dont care partly existed in some kind of reality, but i cant say that there is another such academic reality, but all the same, thats where your treasure is, thats where your heart is, thats how i began to be interested in literature and philosophy there, i continued in that space, somehow it was more interesting for me there, then we opened a church for ourselves at that time, and i, for example, if you remember what happened in the first year, then despite all the drama and scale of the events that we are talking about, i i remember much more sharply and clearly. For example, remember, this is an orthodox shoe store, as it was called, because there was the only store where they sold religious literature, it was a department on the furunzinskoye metro station in the shoe store there were several tables, and there, in my opinion, from the Publishing Department of the then moscow patriarchate, they sold the first this is reprinted literature, this is what i remember very well, well, from what you are telling, it looks more like the youth of a future academic professor who really lives in history, in philosophy, and so it turns out that you are now exactly on the edge, the church and society, you cannot say, let me, a year or so will pass, and i will tell you what to think about this or that, what to do with the icon of the trinity or Something Else with some things, thats how it gets along in you, well, you know, it seems to me that i realized in time, just as i realized at school that im not a poet, so at some point i realized at the institute , that i am not a scientist, well, simply because with all my interest in academic life, there is respect for philosophy there, in my postgraduate years in general disappeared in the department of philosophy, what department was i studying in, then it was called the faculty of International Information in the department of public relations, in graduate school i was already with my favorite teacher pavlovich vyazimsky at the department of World Literature of culture, but i defended myself in political sciences, but i i realized that after all , i dont have this dominant academic scientist, im not ready to give it all up and leave. I am, after all , a teacher, that is, a popularizer, you know, when i was at school, i remember, we were in yekaterinburg we arrived, went to the faculty of philosophy and we got to a lecture about engels, and i remember what the teacher said , that marx was really a thinker, and engles was such a popularizer, somehow this thought stuck in my head and didnt in the sense that i compare myself with engels, but i understand that im a popularizer, i can find contact with the audience, as long as. I have this, i understand that it can go away tomorrow, because how you know very well, every time you enter an audience, its still like all over again, and you dont understand whether this lecture will work or not, in fact, i ve got this turnaround, and as for my current main obedience, forgive me, i m using this word, but in some sense its true yes, then i treat it in such a way that i probably turned out to be needed, i was given such an honor, they called me, i came, that is, you didnt ask for it, i didnt ask for it, i didnt go. Im not because this is Something Like that, well , i just didnt have such plans, i dont i was going to change anything, i headed the department of journalism, we were going to write some kind of textbook, i planned to somehow build. This uh academic career, yes academic, yes teaching, academic, this turn is unexpected, but i understand that for these 15 years i lived there, well, several lives, and no matter what dimension you take, i was on bering island, accompanying the holy patriarch, but when would i end up on bering island, never, but where is my mommy, i told you mile that she had to leave, far away . Yes, you have special circumstances, so we make an exception for you, but you cant endlessly go through families, you need to make a decision, would you like to live in another place someday, in another city or in another house, i like houses, i thought everything it will be simple, no or yes, these are not suitable, those are better, but what if im wrong, and what does he know about your situation . Its a beetle, mile, a dead beetle, he cant move anymore, make it so he can, and what should i tell him, that ill go to heaven, sit down next to the lord . 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Nearby, season premiere, be nearby, soon, on the first one, we continue, this is a podcast, the life of the wonderful, im with you, its lead writer alexey varlamov, my guest is vladimir romanovich ligoyda, professor of mgmo, editorinchief of the foma magazine, chairman of the senodal department for interaction between church and society, in general. The world of the church is quite closed for most people, not very clear, well now we can recall the wonderful book of archimandrite tikhon, but not the holy saints, which in many ways, thanks to its circulation and its fascination, with its opening edition , yes, translation into many foreign languages, it opened up the world of the church a little to people, but after all, it still happened in russia historically, yes, that society lives according to its own laws, the church lives according to its own laws, literature according to some of its own laws. Lives here, the dialogue between them does not always go well, so what is your feeling from this world of the church, what is it like . Well, you know, of course, i had very little encounter with the Church Bureaucracy until the moment when i started working in the church, and i would say that the word bureaucrat is more likely to be used, which for me in 2009 was on the verge of such a dirty word dismissive, for example, i clearly understand now that it is a healthy quality. Is very important in the state, in the church, anywhere, i think i understand its limits, i understand, so to speak, what is possible through bureaucratic means, well, i dont understand everything, but somewhere, yes, what can be achieved, what cannot be achieved, with in this regard, i cannot in any way share the opinion of people who know these very bureaucrats from the outside, that these church bureaucrats, they almost dont read or pray at all, and so on, im not talking about the holy patriarch there, because that its enough once. To be at the altar, when the patriarch prays, so that all the questions you have, even if you had them, will immediately disappear, but its just that for many people with whom ive been working these years, i completely of course, i feel differently, and even of publicly known people, individuals whose behavior caused , i would say, justified questions from society, i had these questions, and we had complex internal discussions, i probably the feeling that they are also people, you know, how there is one story, one an entrepreneur, a very special one, well, from forbes, in short, they brought him to the deveyevsky monastery, so he walks for the first time, so he walks, walks and is silent, a groove shows him there, there is Something Else there, and he is silent all the time, here are a few hours passed, well, he was silent, he said, people are also people, and you have the feeling that the church still has its own slightly different one. Than that of the state, and if we remember, as it were, in chronology, then the relations were very different over the course of many millennia, and the baptism of russia, now, if there is, well, a conflict is not a conflict, but if we say that the church has its own interests, its own goals, the state has its own tasks, then what choice will you make, because i understand that you are a statist at the same time, as you are for yourself, and as you you are deciding this topic for yourself, i can have a few of these here before answering the question, not to gain time, but just a few important points, the church and the state really have a different history, including in the history of our country , but they never existed one without the other, and i think that they cannot and will not be able to exist one without the other, and the second important point is that if we take the thousandyear history of the Russian Church , it has indeed never been as free from the state as it is today, this does not mean that there are no mutual relations, very difficult ones, sometimes, something is based there on some kind of personal contacts, something on systemic decisions, but just no matter what period you take, to be honest, thats how it seems to me, to look at the history of the Russian Church in mutual terms. With the russian state, then such an opportunity to independently accept the church has never made a decision about its internal life. Now to your question, here i will simply refer, here i already include a person in office, there is a basis for the social concept of the Russian Orthodox church, yes, where it is clearly stated that if the state forces a believer to do something that is contrary to his faith and that what is said in the gospel, then he can, there must now be the exact wording. I dont remember disagreeing with this, yes, so i hope, uh, first of all, i hope that this it wont, but if there is something that will put me in a situation of choice, in this sense i really like my good friend, probably a friend, the words are too binding, the polish director krzysztof zanusi, in one of the books, he says that i am grateful to god for never putting me in a situation of choosing between my faith and my family, you know, such an honest confession of a thinking person, a person who lives a difficult life, so i very often return to this thought, because which is easy to say, but ive never been there, well ok, so, from what you said, we can conclude that such a serious problem as the relationship between church and state used to be, it is as acute, at least not now as it was in previous times, but maybe it is in general, to one degree or another, but what, from your point of view , are still serious. Problems or challenges facing the Russian Orthodox church today, some pain points have been identified, you know, this of course depends on at what level are we trying to answer this question because if its somehow like this according to the hamburg account, then there are wonderful words of the gospel, of christ, which in a sense, well , the verdict of the church at any time, because everyone will know that you are my disciples, that you will have love for each other, so this phrase, it seems to me, is the most important attempt to live according to the gospel comerton and the impossibility of this, we are in some sense doomed to the impossibility of this, but this gap between the gospel ideal and reality, it can be a little larger, smaller in different ways, well, in some cases again, not that much more and less, but it can take place in different ways, yes, you said about the complex relationship with literature, but we have it today, you love dostoevsky, its almost the same thing as asking, are you orthodox or not, yes, although we know church relations. Official and Fyodor Mikhailovich developed very differently, but i think this will surprise many today, how is it that Fyodor Mikhailovich is almost the author of the catechism, yes, here it s just these features of the time, i think that trying this global task decide, its very important today to find some kind of balance between this pace of time , from which you cant completely fall out, yes, but he, i dont like it. But its really apparently unprecedented, for civilization, that is , the way people today they live, they never lived before from the point of view, i think no, yes, from the point of view of the flow of information, technology, yes, on the other hand, i once came up with, forgive me for such involuntary narcissism, i really like, i once said that if the church does not keep up with time, the worse for time, to find some kind of balance between not running with your pants up, not running after this komsomol, so to speak, those. And other things, on the other hand, not looking like, well, a savage from the mumbayumba tribe, yes, in a situation where you need to react, and this is probably difficult, lets talk a little now about missionary activity, look, maybe im wrong, but probably in the history of the Russian Church now is so unique moment, because when there was a prerevolutionary period, there was a synodal period before there was missionary activity, but it was mainly aimed at other peoples. In soviet times, for obvious reasons, there was practically no missionary activity, now thats how interested the church is in having as many people as possible come to it, believe, or whoever walks and walks, they will be saved or not saved , in any case, we are responsible for these, yes, and let them live as they want, or for those, the soul also hurts, and in fact, lets move on to the magazine, which , it seems to me, serves in many ways such. This is an instrument of an attempt to talk not only with people who are already here in the church, but with those who are interested, to whom this is important, what do you think about it . These are the words of the apostle paul, that for everyone i. Became everything in order to gain at least some, they are such a missionary imperative, yes, this is the position of a christian missionary, it has not changed, but historical circumstances, the legal field that you must take into account, yes, because she now correlates any church with the existing government, one way or another, should not violate any legal provisions, fit into this legal field, there is this internal mission, and in this sense, in many ways, thomas probably began to engage in it at some point, when he had his own audience of some kind. Then perhaps a small one appeared, but devoted, or it changed there, but together with us, and we or we together with the audience, rather, but there is, of course , external, i think that the church is certainly not interested, but another thing is that at the church, you know, like if you use the fashionable word kpi, then the number has never been, of course, boiling pot for the church, precisely because you said, there are many called and few chosen, but this is such a paradox, yes, a church paradox, this does not mean that one should not strive to preach to everyone. But this means that there is no need to count heads, so to speak, and determine by this some kind of success or failure, because everything that the church, according to the maxim, could do, was done by its founder, and what else is there, so to speak, our task is only to testify about it . Watch all episodes of the podcast lab project on the website of the First Channel 1tv. 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