Like everyone else. Yes, the head of the Foreign Ministry in hungary shared his assessments with our journalists. By the way, unlike so many yesov colleagues, as you know, who are literally now already in force applied to russian journalists, this is how it recently happened with the president of france, who took away phones, well, not personally, but through security, was rude, disrespectful to the russian media, for which , in fact, they received a call from the ambassador, notes of protest, everything that comes with it connected. Here are other western countries, members of nato, the european union, they tried to somehow enter into an informal, even closed dialogue with the minister, im not asking about the details, i m just trying to understand, thats when they say that russia is not ready for negotiations , they showed some interest in the negotiations, you perfectly used a wonderful expression, im trying to understand, when i read on the eve of the trip. Lavrov to the Un General Assembly for a political week, when on the eve of this trip i read an interview with the head of the french Foreign Ministry, mrs. Colon, i too tried to understand what she meant, she told a journalist who asked approximately the same questions , so what do you want from russia, do you talk to her, dont talk to her, if you want to resolve issues, how can you decide without russia, she tried to somehow formulate some thoughts , this is all a written interview, you can read it and said that the problem is that of course they want to talk with russia, but sergeykovich lavrov rarely at those International Events that she attends, this is generally an amazing story , at which such events does she attend, often sergei vidovich less often, given that she mentioned the twenty, and so sergevich lavrov was there, and was among the twenty at the twenty summit, i i dont know where she was, then she she began to say that the problem is that when she often talks with lavrov, she does not find common ground, now i wanted to ask, do you communicate so rarely or often, well, you formulated it absolutely clearly, we are trying to generally understand what is happening to them, because on the one hand the desire to overcome contradictions is declared, on the other hand they talk about a battlefield, battles, which should itself show something, well, it seems to me that they are simply in the . Ideological, and perhaps somewhere already a mental crisis, because after all, when we talk about an ideological, ideological crisis, we mean that everything is fine with them, just with logic, there is just an incomprehensible feeling about where, where to move, based on the statements of the same blinkin, colona, and many others , i already have a question regarding logical thinking, well, thats impossible, because again, russias reluctance to negotiate is broken by the argument that the russian minister spoke about, so you yourself banned them, in particular to the kiev regime, you yourself limited the possibility contacts, even at the official level, simply by blocking the passage of the russian official aircraft, in particular, as was the case a year and a half ago, at the Un Human Rights Council in geneva, at the headquarters over there in geneva, the russian delegation could not come, you yourself stopped what or contacts at the level of senior diplomats, you yourself did this , then why are you complaining that there are no negotiations or movement in this direction, that is, there is some kind of crisis, it seems to me, in logical thinking and this is also understandable, because if there is logic, then there must be facts, then everything will be clear. But you can see how they manipulate facts, and hence the problems with logic, well, i received from washington, when i asked how american officials perceived the behavior of the russian delegation, they told me that, in general, the russians behaved representatives are wrong because they acted as if everything was normal and as if they were not isolated, and i asked a question and it didnt occur to you that they didnt think themselves isolated, but for me to be told, no, this cannot be, because we dont meet with them, thats all, they are from. If they dont communicate, then we are isolated, and the fact that they are selfisolated, and the fact that they found themselves in selfisolation does not occur to them, why . Because democracy for them is an exclusively internal concept , they have never in their lives extrapolated it, to this entire international space, and if they had done it once, at least once, they would have realized that the laws. Of democracy, and not in including about the majority, about the majority, about respect, opinions taking into account the interests of the minority, but about the majority, and the majority, the world majority, has already made its choice, when you look at the American Press, talk with american officials, experts, you see some kind of strange, the feeling that. After all, russia can change its wrong behavior under pressure from countries from the south, other developing countries that also feel themselves suffering from the war in ukraine, and that they will use the General Assembly the presence of the russian delegation to put pressure on russia, on minister lavov, on all of you in terms of the plan. Was there something similar for greater flexibility in ukraine . It was exactly what you said, an attempt to enter through the press, pump up the information field , in particular using, as they consider their main trump card, the grain deal, as they call it, the black sea initiative, that is, the topic of grain and food security, in principle they had everything ready for this topic to become such a key, you know, an opener for. So that to get into the heart of every inhabitant of that same world majority that we were talking about, but you see what a misfortune it turned out to be, from the high rostrum of the General Assembly poland and ukraine quarreled, right in front of the eyes of the world majority, they began to find out, thats how children, you know, there is such game, the ball is hot, there is no need for grain, no, it is necessary, i dont even know what this game is called, whether its horseshoes or something else, its some kind of crazy game, when the most heated, information and propaganda thesis that was supposed to provide this is exactly what it is the obsessive feeling of ones own rightness of caring for the whole world was destroyed in a second by this wild debate between the leadership of poland and zelensky, it was in the hall of the General Assembly that there was a dispute, not about how, i dont know, to shorten the logistics chains for delivering grain to those in need, not about somehow fixing this very ammonia pipeline, through which fertilizer can also be supplied to those regions that so need this convenience, no, the kiev regime imposed its grain on the west, and poland on in particular. By the way, expressing not only my point of view, i tried to say that she does not need it, for only one reason, because this is a fraud with speculation that hits their own producers, i remember very well how all this it began, and it seems to me, even in your studio, i would say, in our studio, we discussed this, when i like this approach, yes, when we analyzed the footage of the polish minister with the polish farmer, after all all this did not reach warsaw immediately either, but only when the polish farmers, literally reached the polish government, here is the answer to the question can the west, as they say , win the hearts of the world majority, they call it the global south, they would like to, but they dont know the main secret, let s help them we will open , they will not be able to conquer, they have tried for centuries, in different ways, by force and deception, but there is a simple rule , equal, mutually respectful. Cooperation is exactly what we are fighting for, and as soon as they accept it, they understand it, their experts are understand, but the western elite cannot allow this for themselves, because otherwise they will cease to be exceptional , i looked at the American Press mainly, but also more broadly at what was available to me from other western press, i did not see a single mention of how any something. This delegation at the meeting with Sergei Viktorovich said lets quickly show flexibility in ukraine. so i tried to find evidence that the collective west succeeded in this mobilization of neutral countries. I did not find such evidence, this really happened, but you understand, but if in the west they believe that everyone believes what cnn says, then they are mistaken, people have already learned to distinguish between cnn and the truth, they already understand that this obsessive chatter that comes from the white house, from the state department and spreads throughout to the american information space, well, lets call it anglosaxon, that this is not the ultimate truth, that these are not facts, this is the first moment, the second moment, who they decided, so to speak, to educate. The south, as they say, are those countries where they were colonialists, these countries dont even need today, the current information space, in order to understand what is happening, these countries do not learn from their textbooks, but from the Current International situation, they know from the history of their families, from the history of their land, from the history of those conflicts that now do not allow them to take a place in number of developed countries and leading world economies, they know this, from the famine provoked not by them, but by the former colonialists, the lack of normal borders with neighbors, the endless diseases of everything that these people left behind the very metropolises , who also considered themselves exceptional at that time, therefore this manipulation did not and will not work with them, and another very important point is that this is not only a natural rejection of this very superiority, a conditionally white man. This is also an alternative, this is a very important point, an alternative created, among other things , by russia in the form of brix, in the form of the sco, in the form of economic, in particular eurasian integration spaces. If this alternative did not exist, yes, there would be a big question will many of these countries be able to withstand this onslaught, but they see that there is an alternative, and this is the first time that this alternative has worked so well, right . But i wont say that the first case , the counterterrorism efforts of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, yielded results, because please excuse me, we saw 20 years of the presence of americans, not only we, but the whole world saw how nato americans were present in afghanistan for 20 years, so what . But we saw the Counterterrorism Center created under the auspices of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and we saw what it was doing, and we saw what successes do the countries that participate in it have . In his work, this alternative was manifested here, so no , it was probably declared so loudly recently, probably because it has matured, probably because these organizations, structures, these associations, they took place, for this requires experience, of course, and most importantly, the time that has passed has given these associations the opportunity to confirm their peaceful status, that they are not directed against anyone, because look, in many of these countries, which is also extremely it is important that governments changed, not just governments changed, but courses also changed, some were more westernoriented, others were more aimed at sovereignizing the economy, the humanitarian space, in different ways, but under different formations, under different leaders, these countries remained within the associations, and these and these associations never posed. Them the question either one way or another, and you leave, or you change the regime to suit our association, or you subscribe to the rules of brix, sco, and so on , only in in the form in which we need it, other countries would say, and do you change your settings there, or do we not communicate with you, as happens in nato . Time has shown that these associations are based on completely different principles. Principles created, and this, of course, strengthened them, made them not just attractive, but showed a real alternative. We are having a very interesting conversation, so i dont even feel quite. A lot of time, and i didnt ask you the question that i am obliged to ask, nagornokarabakh, i have a more specific question, we no longer we know less what happened, we more or less know why it happened, but im interested in Prime Minister pashiyans attempt to not just blame a sore point on a sound one, but even if not to isolate russia, but to try to exclude russia. From a leading role in the negotiation process and weaken russian influence in the southern caucasus, what do you think will actually happen, today the ministry of Foreign Affairs made a statement in this regard, based on the totality of what we heard from Prime Minister pashinyan, from the totality of those actions , which undertaken by official yerevan, based on the totality of what you correctly said and noted, leads to , in general. Unfortunately, we see where all this comes from, because the close relations of this very team, which now represents policy in armenia, close ties with the west, as is now clear from official statements of the Prime Minister of armenia, were aimed at a complete turnaround of this country, and we are now. The second very important point is mediation efforts, again, there are alternative, we showed what the mediation of our country can lead to, in the most difficult, in the most dramatic moments in recent years, in the open phase of the conflict, we used all possible influence, first of all, of course, the president of our country, then our economic, humanitarian bloc, diplomacy got involved and so on, in order to not only stop the, well, war , what can i say, its not just a crisis, there was a war, but also to create a real program for development and a return to stability in the region, it was a plan, it there was a program, the stepbystep implementation of which would lead to the normalization of the situation and the most interesting thing is that this is how it started, but then we saw how, on the one hand in the public sphere, we heard assurances that they intend to carry out everything that they signed up for, on the other hand, they went over to their western patrons, this is the point to which their western patrons brought them, this is primarily brussels, washington, and, well, paris, what can we say, now we see everything. Hostage to this situation, i think everyone understands, official yerevan, this team, made its own people, as much as russia helped , the citizens of armenia, the armenian side, i cant even give you an example of who else we helped so much, economically, humanitarianally, politically, saved, literally saved, and moreover, it is very important, at the cost. Of their own lives, at the cost of the lives of their own peacekeepers, more than once, and they were ready for the same and further, because there was a concrete result, but what the team of Prime Minister pashinyan did, you now show on screens, they trusted how trusted before them, and as i, unfortunately, think, will trust, after them, in different parts of the world, many who believe that abroad. They will be helped in the form of the west, the west will lead them somewhere to absolute prosperity, just using some magic tools, there are no magic tools, there is labor, work , responsibility, compliance with everything that was promised and what your signature is under, and no, remember, like fairy tales and about cinderella, and no connections can make the leg small and the heart big. Same here most of all, no amount of paris and brussels will be able to resolve the crisis overnight, which has been accumulating for decades, but a really effective plan, a program was on the table, only until the moment when official yerevan began, i dont know, to fidget, rush around, shy away. Call it what you want, completely change what you signed up for, in the hope, apparently, that now someone somewhere in the west will take out a magic wand, in an instant, everything will be resolved, it doesnt happen, free cheese is only in a trap, maria, thank you very much, it was very interesting conversation, i think you have identified not only the problems, but you have also shown that a solution is possible, when it comes to what happened at the General Assembly, you have already managed to find these solutions, in the case of nagornokarabakh, a lot of work remains to be done, but unfortunately, i must say that not everything, not everything that one would like to do, can be done when the government of one of the parties, in general, without even indicating its real goals, wants to go towards some other path, but i am with i agree with you, this path is not theirs will lead to nothing good, and i think that russia will definitely turn to mediation, and in the very near future. 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Well, firstly, president zelsky made us happy, informing us that the american abrams had finally arrived in ukraine, lets listen, good news from minister umerov, the abrams are already in ukraine and are preparing to strengthen our brigades, we thank the allies for fulfilling the agreements, we are looking for new contracts , we are expanding the geography of supplies. Well, as it were, we were told for a long time that the abrams would arrive, but now. There is concrete confirmation, well there you go such an interesting surprise, no less, general Kiril Budanov warned that the abrams are not a magic wand, lets listen, abrams tanks should be used in very specific, well prepared operations, because if they are used on the front line, simply in combined arms battles, then they wont live long on the battlefield, well, dmitry drozdenko, a leading military expert, to our great pleasure, is now our regular participant, as they say, you said and warned that abramsi is not exactly magical wand, and that this is a serious weapon, well, in general, that it will not change the military dynamics, well, now we are hearing that the United States will provide more serious weapons, this is a coms, which really gives ukraine the ability to strike at more distant targets, that do you think about this . Well, first of all, according to abramsov, i would like to briefly summarize, this is what the footage showed, this is exactly the first cavalry division, which, im not mistaken, was unloaded during the exercises, and then, as it were, loaded into the raterdam desk, these are abrams, which belong to the series of the first iraqi company, that is, the vehicles are old, even by the standards, well, even by the standards of some european countries, but this does not mean that they are bad and the like, and yes, the american tank, the main abrams, is not a breakthrough tank, now, in principle, there are no breakthrough tanks as such, there is the concept of a main battle tank, that is, which is multifunctional, and as for, again, the Protection Capabilities of this tank, but in addition, the americans have sufficiently cleaned it , removing many things related to Optical Systems and reservation systems only indicate that they will burn in about the same way as the challengers, and maybe, by the way, even better, because at the heart of both tanks. There is british armor in place, only the british went to the area to sort of refine their darchester, the americans made their own, specifically multilayer armor, which included , among other things, combined uranium, only they removed certain linings and removed the trufi automatic casting system , that is, in fact the tank is naked, although he will shoot as deadly as he shoots. As for the rocket. Okay, excuse me, yeah, i understand that this is a serious weapon, it turned out, anronik knows about this , that i was during the gulf war, where all this happened, i saw the abrams in action and i can testify that this is a weapon very serious, but i can also testify that it was a very serious weapon, which was actually used at the shooting range, because the iraqi army could not offer real resistance, but now these abrams and challengers and leopards, they will face a completely different enemy, do you think that the appearance of abrams can add something significant to the socalled ukrainian counteroffensive, no, its significant, it wont add anything, especially since you said correctly, these tanks worked in iraq as at the shooting range, there were two reasons, but besides the political ones, the top, as it were, generals were bought. Abrams had more advanced electronics systems, that is, roughly speaking, a tank fought for almost a century against a tank of the 20th century, and he saw the iraqi Armored Vehicles are much further away, they could shoot further and more accurately, it is precisely these devices that, for the most part, have been removed from the current abrams, according to american sources, the device is installed on our tanks, that is, we are, in principle, equal in capabilities to tanks, that is, if we will admit that we have problems with the range of artillery, we dont have such problems, including with regard to systems, that is, we continue now, as i understand it, about new weapons, missiles, these are serious, tactical, that is , most likely two types are likely to be transmitted old missiles, these are from the aom package with cluster warheads with a range of 50 and 300 km, respectively, but these missiles, how to say, do not have modern guidance systems, they have a very large circular probable deviation, so by the way a cluster warhead is used , the americans have been redesigning these missiles in recent years, installing new guidance systems and, accordingly , highexplosive fragmentation warheads, most likely they have about 200 missiles left somewhere, well , we estimated, well, about 200 missiles that 200300, which for sure. Have not yet been converted from old stock, these are the ones you think will be transferred because, again , american sources said that the missiles will come with cluster warheads, why give away recycled expensive weapons if you can give away something which still seems to be half written off, how do you compare their capabilities with stormshadow, which unfortunately showed themselves to be a serious weapon, these are different types of weapons, but because storm is shadow scalp. Potentially taurus these are longrange cruise missiles, that is, a range of 550 plus kilometers, and these are not tactical missiles, but the atakoms is a tactical missile that is used from two complexes, this is well , the haimers the american systems mlrs, which has already filled the ascombina, that is, its the same most only on track with a double package, there are german ones, there are american ones, that is , these systems too. Therefore, these missiles will have different goals, they have different capabilities, there will be different goals, that is, they will most likely be used according to ours neighbors rear areas, control points, accumulation of manpower, civilians, this is unambiguous, they will fly there, as for cruise missiles, they will be used in the socalled longrange war, because well, the real offensive of ukraine can actually be said to have slowed down, with no result. They will get it, but in winter it wont be possible to just stand, so most likely the west will start a missile war at long distances, where the question will be who will attack who, who will shoot down more, who has a better air defense system, that is, they will test it, on in my opinion, one of the options for limited, socalled limited american wars, that is, on foreign territory, that is, it will be tested, this is how this tactic works, how this works, so the number of missiles, again britain has shtorshadow, is somewhere under 1000, the french have 500700, the germans have about 700, so they are calm, if they allocate 20 percent of their current volume, then it will be a fairly large and decent package for such combined strong attacks, as for carriers, after some time, yes, we will knock out the su24, which were converted in ukraine, you need to understand how they were converted, just as a carrier, the missile itself, when the aircraft is launched during the flight, receives a task, in the situation with ukraine, most likely foreign specialists enter this task into head in advance, after that the plane will simply carry it, the next in line will, well, no. It wont be able to carry it, it will most likely be either gripins or funs, that is, what europe will probably transmit, because the missiles are purely european , you gave a lot there is a lot of important information, but i think that many of our viewers, along with me, do not fully understand what this means for the dynamics of combat operations, what new ones. My personal forecast, very serious, this is what the dynamics will be, well, these missiles will not hit the front line, they will be either large weapons depots or control centers. Sevastopol, when a group strike was carried out from different. Boards and they actually overloaded the air defense system, that is, there will be a question of fighting the ball and the shield, that is, missiles of this class against air defense systems, we learned how to overload, well, i wanted to say, the american western air defense system, again this applies to all points except kiev, because well, in my opinion , its probably pointless to hit kiev, its just the cost of shells and missiles now, there are much better ones goals that are now meaningless, because they have such developed air defense systems, right . Well, this is also part of it, because now there are, again, port structures, which have more interesting targets as a priority, and where are the control points, the reset of these koters, who, by the way, germany now wants to transfer some of these attack drones, remember, i once said that these drones are the new future of, lets say, war, and war is quite unpredictable. And said that this was pandoras box, that something might suddenly float somewhere in the English Channel area or somewhere else, because the transfer of missiles, you know, there is probably an unofficial agreement on the nonproliferation of missile technologies, as far as i understand that it was not signed for a range of more than 300 km, but this agreement has actually now been violated by the west with advanced missiles with a range of more than 300, this is exactly the story with the scalp that the french did for saudi arabia, for someone else, there they are they said that we limited the range to 300 so as not to violate these parameters. And now the west has actually violated these, lets say, semitacit agreements and handed over missiles of this kind. In principle, it seems to me that russia can also act in a similar way, because, well, those countries that they conveyed that there are also a lot of enemies, and we have tangletype complexes, which are in containers, that is, which can cause very. Damage to these unpleasant people. Well , what you said gives us, if you like, a logical transition to what i wanted to ask you about, senator denisov. Uh, Sergei Lavrov, russias foreign minister, spoke very specifically at the United Nations last week about how the United States is involved in the war in ukraine. Lets listen, everyone present here who is even the slightest interested, a huge flow information that is coming and analytical materials that are coming out in connection with the ukrainian situation, well, great, they know that the americans, the british and many others are fighting, they are fighting by firstly introducing more and more weapons, instructors, this is also clear, in poland, germany, britain, i am sure that instructors, we know, not that i know that instructors work in large numbers on the territory of ukraine, and there are certainly many mercenaries there, a significant part of whom are career officers, but just mercenary status allows, as it were, to avoid this very one, the intersection of that very one. Features, but information from satellites, you read those, that means, statements regarding the position of musk and his company starling, but military satellites are working with all their might, reconnaissance planes are also in the air, and reconnaissance aircraft, american, primarily british, they they are watching, not only helping to aim at the target , but they are monitoring where our air defense is working from so that they can help next time, so well, you can call it whatever you want, but they are fighting with us directly. Is at war with us, we call it a hybrid war , but this does not change the matter, here Sergei Lavrov says he is directly at war with us, and literally a day after he made this, quite a dramatic statement from my point of view, there was an article in new york times, which also gives dramatic information, lets listen, a group of Wounded Ukrainian armed forces soldiers, victims of shelling and in need of. Was recently taken to the hospital, a typical story for the bloody ukrainian conflict, if not for two important nuances the majority of the wounded americans, in the hospital the flagship Medical Center of the us army in germany, the Regional Military hospital in lahnstuhl quietly began to treat combat injuries of american soldiers and other fighters evacuated from ukraine, although their number is still small, currently 14 people, this marks a new stage in expanding the United States involvement in the conflict, when the war began in 2022, hundreds of americans, including many combat veterans , went to ukraine. After 19 months, they may still be are there, serving under contract in the Ukrainian Army or fighting with volunteers in the local militia, it is unknown how many of them were injured under artillery fire, were blown up by mines, and were also injured under other circumstances, about twenty people died. Most of the wounded had to rely on ukrainian hospitals and western charities, but now the pentagon has taken over the solution to this. Issues and provided Wounded Soldiers with the same care that it provides to American Military personnel on active military service. Senator, here are two very interesting points in this article for me the first is that the pentagon is now officially providing American Military hospitals, to American Military personnel, not as an instructor, but to military personnel. Who are fighting as part of the Ukrainian Army, this has never been admitted before, well, secondly, senator lynn graham, senator mitch mccon, two leading republicans, globalists who fully support ukraine, they said what a wonderful war for america, we achieve our goals with the hands of others, and not a single american dies , we just found out that this is direct participation in the war, this is what you think about this situation and is this just a statement of fact, or as indirectly, dmitry hinted, it may demand a serious revision of russian tactics, well , as for the revision, as you said, a possible revision of russian tactics. This is still for military analysts and military planners, i am not one, well, thats it, you are an influential senator, well here the point is not even in senatorial status, and certainly not in influence, but simply in the fact that it is impossible not to see what is happening, and something very threatening is happening, because in statements, in actions, something is manifested that causes a feeling of growing anxiety , sergivich lavrov responded to the statement from the rostrum of the General Assembly, as is always the case, then gave an extensive, very Detailed Press conference, and although he spoke as always, especially without looking at his notes, it is quite obvious that this is not expert opinion, even of a very highranking political figure, this is our official position, this is the position of russia , this is endorsed by the top russian leadership, of course, and this position also sounds alarming, as for the americans, i have the feeling, i repeat again, i after all, im not an expert in america, and even more so in military matters, but i get the feeling that the americans have believed in their impunity, they have lost the ability, you know, this is the chinese logic that every phenomenon has one side, and there is the other side, uh, this one taoism, this is a chinese philosophical teaching, but be that as it may, uh, it seems that the americans simply stopped seeing one side, there is an expression, cut off the cats tail. There in parts, here its exactly the opposite, here they dont cut it off, on the contrary they build it up, but lets remember, quite recently, they show lince grema, i dont dare to comment on this, he is known for his such radical statements, apparently this is it more his point of view and god bless him, especially lets not, especially listen to ukrainian statements, they, as they say there, well, they say what they say, let them carry on, but the statements and actions. Of serious american politicians, heads of us Foreign Policy departments, of course, they inspire anxiety, it feels like they have lost taste for such strategic analysis. But remember, in the early sixties, when the cuban crisis happened, a solution was found, after all, based on finding a certain balance, which was prompted by serious analytical work weighing of emerging angles. One gets the impression that in america now such a weighing is simply not being done, so they are increasing, increasing, increasing , remember, quite recently the miracle weapons were some kind of these jewels, yes, these same antitank shells carried there, but now it has actually come to tactical missiles, as a respected colleague said, just like that, nothing good . Nothing good, andronik mehranyan, from. A famous political scientist, professor egemo, formerly headed a Russian Institute in new york, knows american politics very well and has communicated a lot with members of the american congress. Until yesterday, there was a feeling that for the first time, aid to ukraine could somehow be reduced or suspended, due to the fact that the leader of the republican majority in the house of representatives, speaker of the house of representatives, kevin mccarthy, said that he would not include the latter the administrations request for that package, which became part of the us official budget the following year. Yesterday, macarthy reconsidered his promise he said that he would still turn it on. Why did he do this, and does this mean that in the american congress, which allows them to continue on this path, when no matter how much their weapons are grinded, they will receive everything from their favorite patrons, the fact is that in general i didnt really want to start. Regarding impeachment , if it had not been hanging by a thread, when you remember, there are 30, congressmen who, 30 or 25, on whom his appointment, election depended and he was constantly watching with caution that he could reelect, because the conditions for his election as speaker were that he would actually follow the line that was supported by the majority, but at the same time, as we used to say in soviet times, he constantly fluctuates along with the general line, but here the general line is no longer public opinion, by the way, today they are being accused by the same people who Say Something terrible and strange is happening, it is precisely because of this behavior of the republican leadership, the leaders, well, the leadership in the senate and in the congress, that the republicans cannot win by an overwhelming majority, because it was motivated by kevity against their own electorate, but because for now they believe that there is nothing threatening ahead and, in general, if a real threat arises, that there is still a certain time before the elections, firstly, and secondly, it seems to me that if the leadership makes a certain decision, unfortunately, Kevin Macartney himself belongs to this republican elite group and leadership, which leadership, well, the same, mcconnell, the same in general makati in status, higher than baconolal, and bacon heads republican minority in the senate. I understand this perfectly, dmitry, yes, he is the third, in general, according to the constitution , the third person who will take over. There is not such a significant majority of republicans who are very decisive , and there is an opportunity to manipulate and maneuver in the current situation, and of course, here the leadership of the republicans in the senate plays a very important role, especially since they position themselves as part of the general. American establishment in in general, that is, this is the position of the establishment so far, not yet managed to undermine this, to the point where other positions could have been taken, they explained this to me with some technical procedures for voting the budget, that he somehow wanted to oppose the entire budget and that he therefore did not want to complicate it by speaking against this specific package, dmitry, i heard this too, because a shutdown is expected ahead , the government really needs to raise the National Debt and so on, apparently here they came to some kind of trade, what am i for, they criticized him for doesnt go for anything radical, that means shutdown, governments, for now maybe they really agreed to such a deal. The result is that we dont know what motivated them yet, the result so far is that ukraines chances of getting this money, as of today, they have strengthened, and of course, if not the entire budget will be adopted, then, then again, this will be a problem for ukraine, but if they make a shutdown, the issue will be resolved by itself. Okay, andronik, well, we discussed one. Unpleasant news, without exaggerating its significance, but of course also unpleasant, but great attention in moscow, as you know, there was a message, a message from the ukrainian side that president zelsky and his advisers met in new york with Henry Kissinger and lets see what kissinger allegedly said, kissinger has many apt quotes that characterize the modern. Affairs in the war with russia. Before the start of this conflict, i was against ukraines membership in nato, because i was afraid that it would trigger exactly the process that we are seeing now, now that the process has reached such a level, the idea of a neutral ukraine in such conditions is no longer makes sense, russia is trying to destroy the world order, violate and replace international law, the un charter, imposing its own Conspiracy Theory and interpretation of the rules. Well, i certainly would have preferred to hear kisingers words. Chief of staff to president zelski, but actually this is similar to things that kissinger recently said, and when i hear this kind of statement, if this statement was actually made, and we also dont know the context, but i would immediately ask this question, andronik first, if at the moment. The question of if ukraines admission to nato would be more expedient to decide differently, then my first question is from whose point of view, because maybe from natos point of view, this would already be more expedient, but this does not mean that it would be more expedient from the point of view of russia, the second question, of course, is what, from kisingers point of view, could be the consequences of such a decision, how is it supposed to accept ukraine into nato without a Ukrainian Military victory, because if ukraine does not have control over its territories, you are in it nato, according to the rules it is organizations will not take it, and the third completely crazy assumption , maybe kissinger. Means that in order for ukraine to join nato, it must give up part of its territories, and he would welcome this, what do you think about this strange situation, you know, dmitry, it was such a vague statement, you are absolutely right, if we heard what kissinger himself said, we could make some kind of sober judgment based on this, the only thing that upsets me about this is connection, what is this, in in general, a respected, respectable person is drawn into some kind of petty intrigues, apparently through some lobbyists, in new york and so on, and they try to get some support from him, but we remember that, unfortunately, uh , here i am, in spite of everything, i very highly appreciate and know that kissinger is a very smart person, and he has always behaved very honorably and responsibly towards russia, especially towards the russian leader, by the way, for him, about whom he by the way, he didnt say anything bad. By the way, i i must say that he was very proud of his personal relationships, he was always proud that any of his desires, i witnessed this in new york, any of his desires and contacts that he would like to come to meet, always, moreover, and repeatedly vladimir himself vladimirovich spoke about him, sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly, that there are such smart, wise people, so i understand how uncomfortable he must be, but his last statement was really much more, i would say, unfortunate than this, this so vague, but at least hes not forced was to come up with such an explanation that supposedly ukraine should join nato , so that nato would be a limiter for ukraine, so that it would not suddenly start a war against russia and not on. I will give you my assumption; i am an assumption, and i have not spoken with kissinger or anyone close to him, and this is purely if you like, my hypothesis, but the hypothesis is based on what kissinger said before, on some formulations that were now used by ermak he says he always was against ukraines entry into nato, yes. Precisely for this purpose, as kisinger said, according to yermak, to avoid the situation that has developed today, and today, when this situation is already as it is, the previous arguments do not work, so why not accept ukraine into nato . The answer to this is simple, maybe from the point of view of nato, this is a fairly convincing motive, from the point of view of. Ukraine, it is definitely a convincing motive. Well, in general, as i hear, kissingers statement is completely different. And i use it senator, your expressions are alarming. What i mean by this is that those concerns that have worked in the past between russia and the United States as adversaries, when russia and the United States become. Enemies, these concerns are no longer relevant, and this brings me to what we have been talking about throughout this entire conversation, which is alarming, uh, dear, dear presenter, the trouble and anxiety is not what kissinger says, but that no one in washington listens to him, because he is