saying it would be fully paid for under the way the democratic bill was structured. but they also argue that the estimation from manchin and others that we would add to the debt over the long term does not take into account that, you know, long term, they would also do things such as raising taxes to pay for programs being extended out. and those are zegss that would be made in future congresses, presumably with the senator joe manchin having the ability to vote yes or no. but these are some of the issues that they discussed. there s been a lot of talk, i m told, about the importance and the democrats view about extending the expanded child tax credit. that is a huge sticking point too. joe manchin does not want to continue that in its current form, this current proposalal, wants to do it separately. and that is set to expire year s end. a lot is on the line policy-wise and politically and how it winds up from here to joe biden desk, if that s even possible, remains the question. ch