and we want to deescalate. eric: can you explain what those instruments are? people may not know. how do they work? sure. your yo-atlantic security euro-atlantic security in the area, that s the territory of europe out to the urals in russia, it includes u.s. and canada as nato members x there are agreements such as the conventional [inaudible] europe treaty, the organization for security and cooperation in europe, the helsinki final act from 1975, there s the nato-russia council, the e.u. has to sign off with russia. there are all these existing international and diplomatic ways of addressing legitimate concerns. president putin doesn t want to use those. instead, he wants to threaten ukraine and mass troops on the border. that s not the way that europe s security should be dealt with. eric: yeah. i mean, you ve got all these treaties and agreements with moscow, but he doesn t pay any attention to them. do you think he believes nato