karen fáfreedmant( served as th chief assistantçó district attorney in the manha(ép d.a. s office.w3 both joined me now. michael cohen testified that trump had a lengthy relationship. have a listen. i was involvedñr in several these catch-and-killçó episodes. these catch-and-killt( scenario existed between david pecker and mr. trump along before i starte1 working for him in 2007. karen, explainxd us to the significance of david pecker coming back to testify to the grand jury today. yeah, so, there isn tñ2hp lo of question of factok here abou whether or not payments were made. that s not going to be proven by books and records, including the fact that these payments that were made, 11 of themjfñr while trump w+w■ sitting presmant, were made and false entriesxd we retainers. the question that is really for the grand juryw3 to decide ñiis3 trump involved in these payments? did he know about them? did hew3 know about the purpose? did he know that these