Some actual testimony s important. this is why i think the justice department s grand jury investigation that betsy and others reported on is so significant because live testimony under a threat of perjury is a different animal than getting documents. yeah ji ll ask you both to stick around. donald trump made us do it. that s the ark. in front of a jury whether those that charge the capitol did so because the twice impeached ex-president told them to. how the jury reacted to that is next.