Happening now in the newsroom, a heartbreaking loss for u. S. Womens soccer. Off the post sweden can win on this kick. Plus one on one with Donald Trumps lawyer who claims trumps efforts to overturn the 2020 election were aspirational, not criminal. And lost at sea for two days in a boat only 12 feet long. Well show you the incredible rescue. Youre live in the cnn newsroom. Hello again, everyone. Thank you so much for joining me this sunday, im fredricka whitfield. Donald trumps lawyer doubling down that trump was within his First Amendment rights when he told former Vice President mike pence not to certify the election results. The Attorney Says it all boils down to the way he asked. And all of this played out in the open. Its all free speech. There was a Supreme Court decision that says when youre exercising free speech, youre not engaging in a fraud on the government. Unfortunately most people dont understand thats just one example of the actions. Its very political. Thats just one
at the same time, vice president pence lays out important issues, that the government does have to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. while i agree that the judge is likely to set a trial date soon, it is very possible we could see attempts by the trump team to seek interlocutory appeals. but they may try to slow this down and delay it past the election, which is the goal i think of the campaign because they believe the president gets more political benefits and may be able to stop the prosecution or pardon himself if he s in fact elected. nick, do you see anything. none whaef sofr. he s going to be subpoenaed to testify. he ll have no choice but to testify. and his testimony is probably the most significant of anybody in the trial. because everything comes back to what mike pence would do. that s why donald trump set up these phony electors so that he