especially if your client is the president who s currently being impeached. if i were the president s lawyer and i wanted to go and create an iron clad defense case for say the impeachment narrative is false, that they re getting it entirely wrong, then i would go and meet with basically the opposite of everyone rudy giuliani has met with and tweet the exact opposite that he s tweeted is the thing. so on that point, i ll come back to you in a second. but on that point i ve been reading into some of the characters he s meeting, and these are some pretty sketchy figures in ukrainian politics. absolutely. so one of the people he spoke with was victor shulkin who was the prosecutor general in ukraine. when he was in charge with supposed to be running anti-corruption efforts but was actually pretty corrupt himself. and it wasn t just former vice president biden who said that, it was the rest of the government, it is our allies who all said this guy is really bad at fighting corruption