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figured that trump might ask him about it so he wanted to get ahead of the curve. carol, it is interesting, because mark short has commented on this, mark short ultimately working for the vice president, former vice president mike pence. he said, let s play it. i wouldn t say this is all my official capacity. if that was true, then why he was circumvented all of white house counsel s advice. why wasn t pat cipollone involved or doj involved? instead mark recruited outside lawyers who he wanted to listen to. and so i rely on you, carol, as a veteran reporter, there was a time when the chief of staff to the president of the united states was the big office. they were not taking orders from other people. they were the one who was telling the president, this is out of line. can t do that. and to mark short s point, this is not mark meadow s business to be doing on his own. there is white house counsel and other people he could have
this specific question has never been addressed by statute, by a case. so i think the judge wants to assess the strength of the arguments. he knows he s going to be appealed either way. and i think he s trying to get it right here. and to that point during his testimony yesterday, mark meadows claimed that his actions were all undertaken as part of those official duties, as part of his role as white house chief of staff. jeb i want to get your reaction to mark short, the chief of staff to the former vice president mike pence, told me about meadows argument. we spoke just yesterday. take a listen. and why was he circumventing all of white house counsel s advice? why wasn t pat cipollone involved? instead, mark recruited outside lawyers who he wanted to listen to. and so i think that undercuts the notion that this was all part of my federal responsibility if i m not getting counsel from the people hired into your white house to serve in that role. jennifer, what do you make of
circumventing all of the white house counsel s advice. why wasn t pat cipollone and the doj involved. instead mark recruited outside lawyers who he wanted to listen to. i think that undercuts the notion that this is all part of my federal responsibility if i m not getting counsel from the people hired in your office to serve the white house in that role. in the center of the case is the call with georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. mark meadows said that call was to get over the roadblock and land the plane on the whole transfer of power to joe biden. what do you make of that explanation? again, i think the vice president at that point was focused more on travelling the country and trying to get states to reopen after much of the threat of covid was behind us. we weren t involved as what s happened in georgia. as i said many times, i think the actions taken were wrong. i don t think there was evidence of fraud or that the georgia election was stolen. to call on raffenspe