of europe. do i think, do i think if putin does go for full-scale invasion, do i think the american public or british public have the appetite to get involved in a lengthy war after 20 years of afghanistan? i think that is very, very open to question, i think what we will do and what the british army are doing, providing equipment, providing troops to help train, i just don t see nato getting directly involved in a war against russia on ukrainian soil. i don t believe the public frankly have the appetite for it. carley: you mentioned two things, first is germany and how they are acting because they are dependent on russia for energy and the other is criticism of president biden because of the afghanistan withdrawal.