how serious were they and who were some of the sort of big business and corporate interests behind it? so what we know is basically what butler testified in front of congress in november 1934 and that is that a representative of a prominent wall street financial institution came to him and tried to enlist him in this plot. we can be pretty sure that the guy who approached him thought there was a factious coup behind him, that he was trying to foment. in my research, i can tell you that his boss, a guy named grayson murphy had a long intelligence background. he had been involved in over throwing governments overseas. he was certainly the kind of person who might have been involved in this. beyond that, all we have is the idea that the representative of this brokerage, a guy named gerald c. mcgwire told butler there were going to be big names coming to support it from behind