used again. and that s why it s so important that our report come out. and what i intend to do with my colleagues right when we back is i intend to introduce legislation to make it clear, for example, that if torture is used in the future, there would be a basis to prosecute. director brennan fit to serve the cia? director brennan particularly on thursday said some important things and also left out some things that were important. for example, he indicated that he would no longer be using the terms with respect to torture that the information would be otherwise unavailable. that s a real vindication of the committee because we showed that we were able to find bin laden, find kfm without torture. so that was good. what i was troubled also about was that he undercut the panetta review. the panetta review really agreed
button, and a small missile is fired. but some are asking whether years from now we ll debate drones the way we re debating torture. the use of these unmanned aerial vehicles that you refer to as drones in the counterterrorism effort has done tremendous work to keep this country safe. reporter: the cia s clandestine fleet of armed drones has become central to its counterterrorism mission. the secretive nature of the program means no one can tell for sure how many of the estimated 3500 people killed mostly in pakistan and yemen were insurgents and how many were innocent civilians. in u.s. public opinion, there is greater support for killing people than torturing them. reporter: why? it s hard to know why. i think we believe that individuals we can see with this high technology precise discriminate weapons platform is better at identifying who they are. but in fact, most of the individuals who we kill, we have much less information about than the individuals the 119
proposition that torture is what the al qaeda terrorists did to 3,000 americans on 9/11 and there is no comparison to what that is and what we did to the suspected terrorists, and it is not. some of these tactics did what is above and beyond what was approved. and this one, to abu zubaydah, and laid in a coffin-sized box and 29 hour, and then depth of 2.5 feet, and a height of 2.5 feet, and on page 22, is that going to meet the definition of torture? that is one of the approved techniques. in terms of torture, i guess what i do, and i was struck for example by the statements by bud daye and leo forcnis and
well, what brennan said was unknowable, he says look, we got information. what s unknowable is if we could have gotten the same information had we not used these techniques. right. that s an experiment. how long do you want to try that experiment? ksm wasn t talking. they used the techniques, suddenly he was talking. maybe he had a change of heart or maybe the techniques worked. how long are you going to wait to see if he actually is going to talk? director brennan s view of this report, andrea. he obviously doesn t like how it was done. thinks, as he said, over the top when it comes to transparency. does he disagree with the facts? yes. at this lengthy, you know, hour that we spent with him, and he disputes thej@kfact that information on bin laden was obtained by other sources, by other foreign intelligence agencies, before any of the torture which he would not call torture took place on abu zubaydah. other confirming sources indicate that he was lying. the question is, coul
and welcome back. more on the story that has dominated the news this week. the senate, what the democrats call the torture report. i m joined by senator ron wyden, democrat from oregon, member of the senate intelligence committee and somebody who frankly was pushing your leader, senator dianne feinstein, to get this report done and be made public. senator wyden, welcome back to meet the press. thank you. first let me get your reaction to vice president cheney who obviously has not a lot of respect for this report. well, first of all, with respect to waterboarding and the vice president is obviously comfortable with it, i consider it to be torture. and just to correct the record when the japanese were prosecuted for using against our guys in world war ii, it was at the tokyo trials. i think it s important to set the record straight. well, let me ask you, though, he says this thing is partisan. that has been some of the criticism even from folks who agree with some of the