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Transcripts for BBCNEWS BBC News at One 20210928 12:24:00

with how the atrocities should be remembered. this is larysa bahautdinova, visiting babyn yar in 1950. it s the place where she could have died. that she s alive now is down to extraordinary good fortune. larysa was just a year old in september 1941, when her mother obeyed a nazi announcement calling alljews to a checkpoint on the outskirts of town. translation: they didn t know they would go to babyn yar. - they were told they were going to germany. there was no deportation. thejews were marched into a ravine, made to undress, and shot dead. during two days, they killed 34,000 people, not using any machines, not using any automatics, not using the gas chambers etc they simply killed by bullets. a nazi photographer took this picture of the bodies ofjewish men,

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS BBC News at One 20210928 12:26:00

they say it s now a nearly completed apartment block. it s a weird situation when such an important site for me, it s one of the most important sites in the history of the holocaust is ignoring what happened here so much. the construction company say they have permission to build and have not seen official evidence that it s on a mass grave. babyn yar was not a one off. between 2 and 2.5 millionjews were killed by the nazis in eastern europe. many of the locations and details are still being discovered by researchers. much of it by talking to elderly witnesses, like 89 year old mariya. this is where mariya says the town s jews were shot and buried. translation: my father said to my mother, you know -

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS BBC News at One 20210928 12:25:00

women and children being covered over by sand. larysa is alive because at the last moment her mother gave her away. translation: my mother felt that something was wrong. so she handed me to a woman, a stranger, when the policeman looked away. so that was how i got home. but without my mother. babyn yar has now changed beyond all recognition, with the ravines replaced by a park. this place is very, like, intentionally cleared and kind of erased. soviet leaders didn t want a jewish tragedy remembered, and the ukrainians have argued about how best to mark what happened. this is the location where. it was only last year that a team used the nazi photos of the aftermath and 3d modelling to pinpoint the exact spot where the massacre took place.

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS BBC News 20210928 11:42:00

but without my mother. babyn yar has now changed beyond all recognition, with the ravines replaced by a park. this place is very, like, intentionally cleared and kind of erased. soviet leaders didn t want a jewish tragedy remembered, and the ukrainians have argued about how best to mark what happened. this is the location where. it was only last year that a team used the nazi photos of the aftermath and 3d modelling to pinpoint the exact spot where the massacre took place. they say it s now a nearly completed apartment block. it s a weird situation when such an important site for me, it s one of the most important sites in the history of the holocaust is ignoring what happened here so much. the construction company say they have permission to build

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS BBC News 20210928 11:40:00

talks on climate change. every time we see the earth from space its sheer beauty takes the breath away. but it is also a reminder that we understand so much more about the planet thanks to a fleet of spacecraft flying high above us. this week marks 80 years and is one of the worst massacres of the second world war, nearly 34,000 dues were killed by the nazis and a ravine in the ukraine in q have in the space ofjust two the ukraine in q have in the space of just two days. the ukraine in q have in the space ofjust two days. the country continues to grapple with how the atrocities should be remembered. this is larissa, visiting babyn yar in 1950. it s the place where she could have died. that she s alive now is down to extraordinary good fortune.

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