take on corruption in his country. and there was pressure from vice president biden at the time and other countries to get rid of him. now, that visa, however, was not provided to shoeken. and so the white house made an appeal and went to the state department, called up george kent and asked, why is he not getting in visa? it was george kent s understanding that giuliani called the white house and asked them to figure out why in visa wane coming through. now it s important here that giuliani has told cnn previously that he wanted to talk to shokin because shokin had dirt for him on the democrats. so we know he wanted to interview him in person. clearly he was not able to do so because that visa was not provided to him. but this provides some more insight into how giuliani had his fingers all over the ukrainian policy and really was able to push forth on some of his efforts to try and get people to the united states to dig up more dirt on the