into mice. this stuff is very dangerous. trace: former acting assistant secretary of state in the trump administration who oversaw the team investigating covid origins and join me now. one researcher called the documents a roadmap that could have led to the current pandemic. do you agree with that assessment? thanks for having me, trace. i reviewed the documents and what is clear to me is that the virus hunting trade, the relationship between u.s. labs, u.s. universities, u.s. government, and the chinese government was in full motion in 2018. this was a proposal to department of defense. looked like they denied the proposal. thank god common sense was applied here. more and more we continue to see that this was in full motion, partnership with china just a couple of years ago.