go donate to somebody or volunteer for an organization or if you are a columnist, do something that s going to help. hoping to have civil discourse in a sea of insanity or shrill voice at least. as we close, would it be triggering to bring this book and be at the family vacation reading? i don t think so. you can gift it. the new book saving grace, stay center and learn to coexist with people who drives you nuts.
this the longest where the country s history, the u.s. is leaving. that is that we can all see the end of the story. investigative journalist, in his new, book reign of terror, how the 9/11 era destabilize america and produce trump. it s so good i spent my vacation reading, and i cannot recommend it highly enough. he s gonna be on the podcast next, week he joins me now. great to have you. spencer thanks chris. i have a lot of complicated feelings is i imagine you, do about this moment, but one thing that has been interesting, is to watch biden s determination here. you could feel it cushioned pressure growing, to extend the deadline, to stay a little longer, maybe send more troops in. and i was, i didn t know what he was going to say today, how do you read what was happening, in this sort of focus on actually doing the thing, and getting out? i think it goes back to 2009,
strategic intentions, there is something from that vacation reading that i did that has been really, like, pinging like an alarm clock in my head about this new reporting. in this new pentagon report that i just read, one of the main ideas is that russia is operating in a sort of gray zone in its efforts to try to get what it wants around the world, but also specifically, to get what it wants against us. a mix of military and intelligence and seemingly private operations that are organized by the cell lkremlin designed to coerce us, weaken us as an adversary and a rival. while the united states focused on executing the global war on terror, russia actively pursued malign influence in all regions of the world to mitigate their inferior conventional capability. russia has a growing and demonstrated capacity and willingness to exercise malign influence in europe and abroad including in the united states.
state. tom hamburger is the lead reporter of the washington post piece. he s going to be joining us live in just a moment. but there is something from my vacation, from my cozy couch time with my crutches and the pentagon s latest strategic multi year assessment on russian strategic intentions, there is something from that vacation reading that i did that has been really, like, pinging like an alarm clock in my head about this new reporting. in this new pentagon report that i just read, one of the main ideas is that russia is operating in a sort of gray zone in its efforts to try to get what it wants around the world. but also specifically to get what it wants against us, a mix of military and intelligence and seemingly private operations that are organized by the kremlin and that are designed to coerce us and to weaken us as an adversary and rival. quote, while the united states focused on executing the global war on terror, russia actively
more directly. so i think what you re see something a tightening of his inner circle. jenna: real quick, chris, any indication on timing of any of those changes to come? they have been hinting at this rollout for months and months. i think probably after the first of the year when the president gets back from hawaii and he is finished with his reagan book he will come back and start to see these pieces fall into place. no big surprise is expected but a very deliberate transition to a war footing a campaign footing. that is pretty long book, too, isn t it chris? no joke. it is pretty thick book. jenna: that is serious vacation reading. for all our viewers they can have vacation reading through the political power play, right, chris? that s right, jenna. if i may i like to wish you a very merry christmas and tell you what fun i ve had with you this year. it has been a blast. jenna: we ve enjoyed having you, chris. we know this is the first christmas for one of your little ones. s