If the possibility exists, i think ukraine will seek to once again apply to become a member of nato. but again, that s probably a bit down the road, and speculation at this point is not very helpful. i think the first step is to end this conflict, and i think what needs to happen to cause the conflict to come to an end is mr. putin makes a decision to end this conflict. he s the person that started it. it was unjustified and, of course, it will be his decision to deescalate and then go back to the negotiating table. we really all would like to see that happen. the last question today, mindful of our time, goes to uva driesen, tv2 in denmark.