pandemic that we know is going to be with us for such a long time? it s part of the metaphor that we use way too often when it comes to talkingte about the pandemic, which is this is a fight, this is a battle, this is a war. and wars have to be won decisively with unconditional w surrender. that s how it is in america. s and i think going to dr. gupta s point, that s part of the we re really having to work against, this idea that there s such a thing as total perfect security. it s not just covid. you see it throughout theto american political system. you see it in immigration, counterterrorism. this idea that americans want to be 100% safe from anything that couldfe harm them. and that just doesn t exist. there are there are problems that are in this world that cannot be 100% eradicated. and that i think is hard to message to the american people in a way that doesn t sound defeatist, that doesn t sound as though you re trying to depress people really. so try toso walk that fine li