it takes place in private. but the only way the families can get the administration into those extensive serious private negotiations is by putting public pressure on them. that s what we saw with the family of trevor reed. we saw that over the weekend with the family of austin tice being held for ten years in syria. he s going, their family is going to get a meeting with the president, and trevor reed s family having seen others left behind while trevor was released are stepping forward today to try to assist them. but think about the complications, with respect to trevor reed and paul whelan, one of those who s left behind. his family members are here today. this is a situation where involving a country with whom the united states is in a hostile conflict through the proxy of ukraine. the united states is helping ukraine fight a war against russia.