don t want to be herbert hoover. oh, okay. donald trump hopes millions of americans lose their money from their 401(k)s and retirement savings within the next 12 months so he doesn t look bad. [ laughter ] we have a lot to get to this morning, including a key hearing today for trump s claim of presidential immunity in the federal election interference case. we re going to have expert legal analysis on that in just a moment. plus, the very latest on two major developments in the middle east. israel says it has killed a hezbollah commander in southern lebanon. it comes as the israeli military says it is shifting to a more targeted campaign inside gaza. retired four star navy admiral james stavridis will join us with more insight on both of those stories. good morning. welcome to morning joe. it is tuesday, january 9th. with us, we have former aide to the george w. bush white house and state departments, elise jordan. pulitzer prize winning columnist at the washington
it is not normal and it is completely out of bounds with the way our democracy or any democracy ought to work. yeah. let s bring in right now former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg, a man who, trust me, did not just fall off a turnip truck yesterday and wind up inside the studios of 30 rock like me. chuck, we re lafrlaughing abouts defense, and i think for valid reasons, but why don t you take us through it legally. any chance that donald trump is going to prevail on that point or any of these points that mika read? you know, joe, you re laughing about it because it is laughable. i mean, defense attorneys can write what they want. they can file what they want. it doesn t really matter because, at the end of the day, assuming this case goes to trial in georgia, there s going to be 12 men and women in the jury box who are going to decide what they think of this defense. now, you know, there s it s clear ignorance of the law is not a defense, but more than
if donald trump decides to run in 24, what are the chances that desantis is going to want to challenge him for that? reporter: if 2024 were today, i would say very slim. donald trump would crush him if he were in the polling. now if donald trump is leading the polling and looks very vulnerable, he would have one more challenger and desantis would be one of them. he hasn t just fallen off a turnip truck yesterday. he knows if he needs to poke the bear, he needs to do it in an incredible fashion. maybe last week was a subtle fashion. he said, no, i m a little sensitive to that. in 2021 desantis said the same thing he said in the ruthless podcast that lockdowns were not a good idea. the podcast was run by one of