hallie. matt bradley leave in kiev. mike memoli at the white house, andrea mitchell covering all things foreign affairs. thank you. i want to bring in jim townsend, former deputy of defense under president obama. it s great to have you secretary townsend, thank you for being here. it s great to be here. let me start with the news from the pentagon, up to 8500 troops rad to go. and your reaction to that and what sense does that make to vladimir putin? well, i m glad to hear there was over the weekend a change in the approach to try to have more of the military aspect of this. because it seems the economic kind of sanction are not enough to deter putin. he needs to see something stronger. i think the administration has now seen this, but in terms of numbers, those are pretty small,