Was discussing with them how to effectively take control of normal laws that have extraordinary power of the presidency that have voting machines and can invoke martial law. the conversation shifted leading up to january 6th when they went back to how can we legally overturn the election, but then after jan 6th failed my reporting suggests that trump went back to discussing the insurrection act and at least one of navarro s senior aides has admitted publicly that he told the president if there was any way to cross the rubicon. this is very much swirling around in the mind of the former president. hugo, thank you for your reporting on this. hugo lowell is a reporter of the guardian. she serves on the house ways and means committee and was an impeachment manager for the ex-president s second trial.