Category. they have records and would be seen as credible candidates. mike pence and tim scott. and others who are really there to make a point and have their moment on stage. vivek ramaswamy, asa hutchinson. people who have something interesting to say but probably are not going to be the nominee of the party eventually. their goal is to have a moment that goes viral and is seen by people, and an opportunity to introduce themselves to the public who watches this debate. for themselves to the public who watches this debate.- watches this debate. for ron desantis and watches this debate. for ron desantis and those watches this debate. for ron desantis and those in - watches this debate. for ron desantis and those in the - desantis and those in the scrum, as you called it, what message do they need to deliver to actually breakthrough? it’s to actually breakthrough? it s simle, to actually breakthrough? it s simple. we to actually breakthrough? it s simple, we are going to be t