Has now sunk while being towed back to harbour that, i think, is a major blow to the prestige of the russian armed forces. and it kind of goes against what president putin was saying just a couple of days ago when he declared that what he calls his special military operation was going according to plan. talking of president putin, a couple of things struck me, clive, when i was listening to your interview. the first thing is how different the presidents of russia and ukraine are. on the one hand, you ve got president zelensky trying to get his message out to the world, giving interviews to western journalists. vladimir putin hasn t given interviews to the western media since russia attacked ukraine. but there s one thing the two men have in common publicly, at least, they both insist they re going to win. i m joined now by dr robert farley from the patterson school of diplomacy and international commerce, and is author of the the battleship book.