moscow with more. how did the talks go, nic? both sides came out saying they were positive, constructive. both sides seem to understand there s areas where they can have agreement and areas where there will be disagreement. the big question going forward is how big with those areas of disagreement. putin wants clarity over nato and ukraine. when it comes down to the content of that conversation, the kremlin reported it out this way. they said president biden told president putin that if he doesn t reduce the tensions on the border with ukraine, ie remove troops, there will be big sanctions, economic, military and financial sanctions. that was how the russians read it. president putin, the kremlin spokesman replied saying if you do that, that will rupture bilateral relations. it will be a colossal mistake. a mistake that will be felt across the generations. on that key question of is russia or will russia reduce its troops on the border with