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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:11:00

Bring the jury to cottonwood creek, but in january, the terrain was virtually impassable with snow and ice. it was up to prosecutors to set the scene and share why they thought fred s story defied common sense and science. injuries are going to tell you a story that leslie mueller was drowned by her husband . prosecutors called michael golda, the first trained rescuer on the scene peers i m asking, what happened? tell me what happened. and he relates that she apparently had fallen off the waterfall. fred told golda the same thing he told investigators. he watched leslie swan dive off a cliff, hitting granite before sliding into the water. all of a sudden, i was struck with the fact that there was no trauma. there was no deformities, there was no blood. even leslie s clothing seemed unscathed. did you notice any markings, tears, scrapes on the jacket,

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:25:00

although so-called evidence that proved fred s story was possible, the defense that it was useless. the testing you did in 2009 will not be reflective of what did or did not happen in 2008. the bottoms of the creek change, the walls of the creek can change, there was erosion of crete. every time you go up there, it seemed a little different . and the defense attacked the state s expert for what it said was another lot with the mannequin test. they did not start that test with the mannequin falling from the ledge, right? absolutely not . and therefore, your testing did not account for any kinetic energy that would have been initiated from the fall, correct ? that s correct. and what about fred s story? a jumpy dog distracted by a blue jay and a swan dive toward the rocky water? the defense said, it was the truth and not at all far- fetched. it is steep and angular.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:18:00

reporter: they had no idea it was just the first sleepless night in what would become the longest ordeal of their lives. coming up. we started taking photos. took a few of me. reporter: fred gives investigators a detailed account of what happened to leslie. it looked to me like she just did a swan dive. and lands on the rocks. right by the water. reporter: and he is very clear on who is to blame. it was that dog tangled up in her legs is what i think it was. reporter: what would police think of that? when dateline continues. think of that? when dateline continues. then i found a chance to let in the lyte.” discover caplyta. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta is proven to deliver significant symptom relief from both bipolar i & ii depression. and in clinical trials, movement disorders and weight gain were not common.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:24:00

Feet went out from under her. like it happened in slow motion in front of me. she falls forward and i remember lunging forward to try to get to her but i was probe seven feet from her. reporter: fred says he witnessed leslie free fall. it looked to me like she just did a swan dive and lands on the rocks right by the water. just like head and shoulders. and, and just just crumples and slides like mush into the channel. i should have just jumped in. reporter: fred said he lost sight of leslie in the water so he ran down toe where he thought the current would take her. said he got scratched up as he stumbled up and down the embankment. i must have tripped, i don t

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