after all, the thing that is driving him nuts is the fact that zelensky, the third leader in ukraine, in addition to these other leaders, move towards the west in terms of economic integration with the e.u. and political military integration and did it in a more accelerated fashion. i think putin has come to the conclusion that working with the ukraine people-supported government is impossible. what needs to be done, he needs a stugen that he used to have. that is his objective, how to get there without a full invasion and taking kiev is another matter. he s got his chief architect of hybrid warfare and his chief of staff who is clearly may have some designs on how to do some of that would a full-out invasion. martha: you have said you d like to see sort of no further