defeat. the new york times reporting his campaign was aware that bogus claims about voting machines by pro-trump attorneys were baseless. cnn obtaining the memo that shows conservative trump lawyer john eastman tried to convince mike pence to overturn the election results. so joining me now, max boot, the former senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. and steven vladack. good evening, gentlemen. thanks for joining. steve, you say this memo from eastman is horrifying. the plan was to throw out the results, declare trump the winner, and state legislatures to affirm trump was reelected and let the other side take it up in court. do people have any idea how close we actually came to a coup? you know, don, i think hopefully now we re starting to. i mean, this was basically how