Inflation rate. so rates have to go higher if they re going to want to do something about taming it. martha: thanks, kenny. i appreciate it. to another ken, you might have heard of this fellow, ken langone, the co-founder of home depot. thanks for taking the time. thanks for having me on, stuart. neil: it s neil. i think i know who you are. neil: i was thinking of the environment you and bernie started home depot. in it was very inflationary. you had stagflation. you got through it. but it s toughner an environment like that. are we entering in an environment like that now? i think your previous guest hit it right. we ve got to get rates well above the inflation rate if we want to snap inflation. just like paul volcker did in 80 and 81. the tragedy is a year ago and i m happy i said it public so it can be checked, i made it very