I think the key here is the u.s. wants to open a pathway for discussions between moscow and kiev and once that can happen then you re on the way to some stabilization. along those same lines you have talked about it s not just about punishing russia or getting russia moved back. it s about what can we do to strengthen ukraine and what is it we ve seen some movement in congress. the president has done some things. what do they need we are now not giving the west? let me say in this diplomatic scenario it s absolutely critical the first step the russians pull back from the border. to me that is the sign qua non. last week was a banner week for the president in europe, the visits to brussels and elsewhere were a great success. the europeans and the americans and the imf, between us we ve