take the time you need to build trust. that, any peace negotiator will tell you, is the way to find a solution. this week on political thinking, my guest, the health secretary for england, victoria atkins, suggests it could be the way to find peace in the nhs, to end the strikes that have dogged the health service for more than a year. it s been a big week for her, when talks are starting once again with thejunior doctors and after a new report highlighted the horrorfor some mothers and soon to be mothers of nhs maternity services, something she has some rather powerful experience of. victoria atkins, welcome to political thinking. thank you so much, pleasure to be here. you ve said when talking about women s health, you ve said when talking about this searing indictment that we saw this week of maternity and childbirth services, this is personalfor you. why so? well, i m a mum as well as the secretary of state for health. and i had my baby on the nhs, and i have a long histo