indicate mr. putin will lock the u.s. into an endless tactical game, take more chunks out of ukraine and exploit all the frictions and fractures in nato and the european union. you ve been dealing with them for decades. do you agree with her assessment? i have the greatest regard for dr. hill as an associate and friend. i think here, there are two things that i take, i understand, the salammi slicing if you will that the russians could possibly take chunks and bites. but i think right now, jake, the whole world is watching. this is unambiguous like it was when i was in moscow in 2014. we didn t know what was going on in the beginning. the whole world. and no matter what the justification, this would be naked aggression that would put russia into a pariah status that