russian military pride. and also for the ukrainians, a big symbolic victory. also, it has enraged vladimir putin to no end, apparently. do we know what the fate of the captain has been? i mean, that s a very good question. there were reports from an adviser to the ukrainian interior ministry that the captain, an thole kuperin, had gone down with his ship, had been killed in the initial fire after it was struck by ukrainian missiles. when the ship s ammunition hold exploded. but there s been no confirmation of that. contrary reports suggest he may have survived. but the problem, as you perfectly understand, is the kremlin is such a secretive and opaque organization. plus it lies all the time about practically everything. it s very, very hard to get reliable information from moscow about what s really going on here.