doing. tucker: so they are basically running their own propaganda campaign purportedly designed to combat propaganda. what s the agenda behind this? i m a little confused by. this. it s two fold. one is these are the people who have actually been obsessed with the idea that we should be at war with russia forever. back in 2008 when the president of georgia attacked two provinces, that view themselves as more aligned with russia and the russians went and confronted the georgian government about it, people like john mccain and marco rubio and that whole neocon crowd bill kristol were calling for nato to go to war with russia over georgia. they have been obsessed with russia forever and wanted to reinvig ration of a new cold war. that s part of it and then the second part is domestic which is that whatever view these dislike, maimly on the left wing of the party that s anti-imperialism and antiwar the left wing of the democratic party or the kind of isolationist pay low
russia is doing. tucker: so they are basically running their own propaganda campaign purportedly designed to combat propaganda. what is the agenda behind this? i m a little confused by it. its two fold. one is these are the people who have absolutely been obsessed with the idea that we should be at war with russia forever. back in 2,008, when the president of georgia attacked two provinces that viewed themselves as more aligned with russia and the russians confronted the georgiannm government about age, people like john mccain and marco rubio on that neocon crowd, were calling for nato to go to war with russia over georgia. they ve been obsessed with russia forever and have wanted the reinvigoration of a new cold war. that is part of it. the second part is domestic, which is that whatever views theyhe dislike, namely on the lt wing of the party that is and antiwar,ism the left wing of the democratic party, or their isolationist,
u.s. and nato countries. this has to be done much sooner than that. it s one thing to say we re not going to engage them in ukraine. it s another thing to draw the line at other countries and other incursions. that has to be done, and you can do that without provoking a military conflict. you can make a show of force. maybe that s the long-term thinking of the administration is. you can t wait until september to generate the commitments. the commitments are generated by article 5. they re already made. this is a big challenge for nato, a big challenge for the u.s., who is the leader of nato. and it s one thing not to go to war with russia over ukraine. george w. bush decided not togo to war with russia over georgia, a similar thing. ukraine is a bigger, more important country, but nato has to make it clear that this can t go any further. charles? it s not enough to say it makes no sense. obviously, obama is thinking something. and i think steve is absolutely right. he is simply