i call this. it is become clearer and clearer that putin is trying to wipe out the i.d. of these ukrainians. we are only going to learn more and more about the devastation. we will let the lawyers decide internationally how to qualify this but it seems that way to me. me. bill: there it is paid first time is mentioned by president biden. our next guest knows russia inside and out. vladimir putin even personally singled him out as an enemy for reporting on corruption. bill browder is the author of a brand-new book called freezing order. also capital management. nice to see bill, good morning to you. you estimate putin s net worth is north of $200 billion? bill: i believe he s the richest man in the world. this is not money he s made from industrious. bill: riddle me this. 20 years ago he comes power because the oligarchs together. what is he say to them in order to split it 50/50? bill: what he does, he arrests the richest oligarchs, puts him in a cage, put some on
when you are here. give us a reality check. we re watching what s happening across the world, but for those of us who don t focus on it, why do we need to care? you know russia inside and out. thank you very much, stephanie. we are talking about ukraine, let s not forget that there is no u.s. ambassador in ukraine and this time is not a fault of senate. biden hasn t appointed anyone. and these talks with putin is our hostage negotiation with a terrorist. he invaded ukraine in 2014 and now he is using the threat of further invasion to demand concessions and his concessions are about basically destroying eastern flank of nato. so this isn t about geopolitical interest of russia, national security, it s extortion in putin s interest of causing chaos, expanding his influence and staying in power. and it s completely backward. the free world should be making
ukraine have held direct talks since the troop build up began last year. let s discuss and bring in nbc white house correspondent, geoff bennett, chief correspondent for the pbs news hour, and gary, a russian pro-democracy leader, a former world chess champion, a man who knows russia inside and out. michael to you first. the united states has been hitting russia with more and more sanctions ever since they went into crimea eight years ago. what has hand since then, russia has tightened its grip on crimea, and launched cyber attacks on the u.s. why would we think new sanctions are going to do anything. as white house officials have been laying out some of these potential new sanctions, economic sanctions, including cutting off russia s access to the swift banking system, cutting off their access to the global bond market, they re making the point that these are precisely some of the options that were considered in 2014 but left on the table, so these
farther russia might go. perilous hours indeed. perspective from two people who know ukraine and russia inside and out. william taylor and former cia steve hall. steve, if or when we see russian forces move into these two regions in eastern ukraine, and they may already be there in increasing numbers, do you believe this is the beginning of something bigger or do you think that putin could slow down a little bit and keep forces there in the east for a while before deciding his next step? well, first, they re definitely going to be there if they re not already there now. i think when we get up tomorrow morning, we ll see a lot more troops there. and this is something that i think general clark was going to before the russians hacked into his com s there. they might continue a full-blown invasion, staging it as they want to. i think there is a good
after meeting with kim jong un, secretary of state mike pompeo will made with japanese and south korean officials in tokyo before heading to brussels for the nato summit where he and the president will meet with a lot of european leaders who are very nervous about president trump some of vladimir putin and about any deals that may come out of that one-on-one. shannon: they would like to be involved. thank you very much. president trump is poised to enlist russia s help, he s trying to win key international conflicts, national security advisor john bolton says election modeling will be on the radar during the helsinki summit. charting me now, author of spymaster, best-selling author, brad thor. good to have you with us. great to be here. shannon: you have are studied russia inside and out. you ve written about it and talked to the experts. where do you make of where we are and the relationship between the two presidents? is at an all-time low. it s very, very bad. if winston