may well be on the verge of an era when the supreme court sends roe vs. wade to the ash heap of history where it belongs. this is a kind of story that is both old and new. old because it has been such a long running effort buck new because there is such a clear and potential breakthrough among these groups. i m joined by new york times michelle goldberg and cornell a msnbc analyst. michelle, how seriously should people take this before the supreme court decision comes down? i think they should take it extremely seriously. it s always obviously been the goal. look, i would be shocked if roe vs. wade still exists by the end of this summer. you know, i think initially when the supreme court accepted this case, this dobbs case, the 15-week abortion ban in mississippi there was some debate about whether they were going to just gut roe vs. wade or overturn it outright.