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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe Weekend 20240604 11:05:00

The trump campaign possesses that the 2016 and 2020 frankly did not. jeff, let s get your take on this. yes, another moment of legal peril for donald trump. and particularly, susie wildes. a name well-known within political circles. as joe described she is the kind of person who is facing a dilemma about her own potential legal future. also of course, having at least some degree of loyalty to donald trump. what do you make of the buy-in that she is in? well, i ve been in that binds. i have been in a situation politics often also runs into the department of justice investigations. on a few occasions i have had to cooperate with the justice department, the fbi, on legal matters involving former bosses of mine. . here is what i know about susie wildes she is not gonna lie for anybody, right? this is not someone i know well but in terms of her

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe Weekend 20240604 10:06:00

Memos say that he does do what this tape says he did. they caught him on tape, it doesn t even really makes sense, why would you have building plans in your hand while you re talking about milley saying that we ought to give more troops to iran. it is totally inconceivable, unless you want to make that something. mika makes good point. people that gave the tape are going to likely testify and in donald trump s trial. they will say, this is what he said, this is what he showed, we never talked about golf courts or buildings. and who s going to refute? that is don trump going to take a stand because the only one that can get on the stand and contrast that is donald trump. if he does that, he may need to get the handcuffs ready. they will kill him in a cross examination. if he ever gets on the stand, it s unlikely, perhaps, we will see. gentle mary, perhaps the

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe Weekend 20240604 10:19:00

To narrow the race to just two people but. that would excite and bring into the mix those republican voters who are about 60% of whom do not support or do not vote in paderborn. that s a big number, they re laser that can be created for that. but i just don t see where that comes down at this point, donald trump is one of these political figures, once in a lifetime unfortunately for us it is our lifetime that has this kind of hold on a political party that by the way, he could give to this is just like going from one vehicle to the next. this is a better driving political car for him that he can manipulate the years, seamlessly, easily, and this example is in the polling that he is sharing with us. this is the kind of hold he

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe Weekend 20240604 10:20:00

Has. so yeah, who takes him out? i think even though god almighty is saying, well we need have a meeting on that. i don t know. you know what that is though? doing better, you conspiracy theory is sticking, doing better as indictments pile up. some would call that a cult, someone called at fascist tendencies. he plays to that extraordinarily well. and again, how much of that is true belief and true intent by donald trump, he is a transactional guy. what do i need in the transaction to make it work for me. but the other side of it is, people believe that. they latch on to it and it picks a side for them that

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe Weekend 20240604 10:05:00

And the special counsel s office where he says in the more explicitly, this is a four-page attack plan prepared by general milley that is presented by don t trump, exactly one he appears to be describing on that audiotape. rev, when you listen to these explanations from donald trump, he is painting himself as a martyr. i m getting indicted for you he is saying to this crowd. and just hoping that they buy the explanation that is all part of a greater witch hunt, that this is all because they don t want him to be in the white house, they being the justice department, they being the fbi, they being the special counsel. it remains to be seen if that passes outside of his group of close followers who seemed to buy anything he presents them. inside that small group, they want to bite. he plays in something that is already there. i think in terms of the expanded body of people that he is shooting for, it becomes more and more difficult with his own chief of staff, the

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