The former vice president was speaking to. he was basically saying, and this is because trump himself had come out and said some things to the country, and the vice president was saying that trump was wrong, and saying that pence had the power to basically overturn the election. and hand it back to trump, and that was sort of the north star, even in the administration, that pence would say, look, look at the legal memos you re giving me, listen to what your friends have to say, but i just don t think i have that power. but then, the top adviser marc short went on the sunday shows and quite forceful in certain ways in pushing back against trump but also said look, the vice president has a lot of concerns about the election, so i think it s important to be clear that this was not the sort of full-throated, you know, break between the two men. at least from the former vice president s side. i think you said it well. forceful for pence. the other of course headline that emerged over the