supporting ukraine. we re very fortunate to have these two experienced, sober minded people running the pentagon. general mccaffrey, you tweeted this, it caught all our attention here about russia s the secretary of defense called it saber rattling. quote, the russian amped up nuclear threat is hard to fathom. i ve dealt with nuclear strategy much of my life. a putin threat of nuclear deployment after a failed convention invasion is bizarre, illogical, not credible madness. russia could not survive. is it in your view, would you go so far as to say it s an acknowledgment of all of this, an acknowledgment that putin has failed in his conventional approach, and do you think it means that the risk isn t real? what do you make? well, look, from an intellectual viewpoint, and again, i have dealt with this issue throughout much of my adult life, you know, the height of the cold war there were like 20,000 nuclear weapons on each side. it was utter madness, but it was