concerns. no, he said he did so because secretary perry wanted the two leaders to discuss a natural gas project. and for his part, rick perry says it was all about energy and not at all about joe biden or his son. absolutely, i asked the president multiple times, mr. president, we think it is in the united states and in in ukraine s best interest that you and the president of ukraine have conversations, that you discuss the options that are there, absolutely, yes. dana bash is in washington, dana, this transcript we have all read, shows trump and saturdzielinski never discussed energy issue once. what s going on here? rick per are you who we haven t heard much from at all during the three years of the trump administration, and rick
unpredictable, but could make the president look like a victim and not be good on the country. we ve been hearing all kinds of different extra natioplanati the ukraine call. some claiming that the entire ukraine call was just a joke. yeah. so this is better that s a real story. yeah, so when you have to say that, not the onion. so this is better than the president saying that rick per relationship got him perry got him to make the call and he didn t want to make it on that call with the house republicans. three republicans have been out there saying that when the president said that china should investigate joe biden and his son that either he was joking or that he was trying to bait the press. so we re calling this the joker defense. the president didn t really mean that. of course the president has
trump was a big part of that trump, he was making an appeal to the right end of the party and donald trump started eating up a lot of that support, particularly in iowa where toad win. not insignificant that two of the candidates now, rick per rained scott walker, were both on the right end of the republican party. and he didn t seem sure footed on national issues. he switched his stance on immigration, for example. there are other issues where he seemed to adjust. i think there were some governors, reagan and bill clinton being the obvious, who are really tuned into national issues. i think it took scott walker more time than was good for him in the end to really get locked in on those issues. i have heard that from conservatives who have talked to him, who were trying to advise him. so, i think it s the money, but the money is both the cause and a symptom of another problem. the cause and the symptom, susan del percio, we have the money. we have the polls. does one plus one equal t
step with what he s always been. there is a question about, you know, since he s been making so much noise about this border issue, will he try to appear constructive based on this meeting, and and, you know, i don t think it benefits him to come out and just say nothing could be done. i actually think perry would have more incentive to strike some kind of a deal with obama if perry was running for re-election in texas. obviously the pressing issues in texas on the border himself. he s more incentivized, perry is, to oppose obama. working to become the next republican nominee. a long way to go before we get to that point. were rick perry were to be next republican nominee they will accept their nomination not in dal yeah, one of the finalists, rick per could have had a home state conveng. instead in cleveland, ohio, unless it hits a hiccup here no. republican has won the presidency in modern times without winning ohio. say that every four years and