Withdrawals are tantamount to purchasing drugs. the defense is making the case that hunter biden didn t have a credit card he was using cash for other things, including to pay if a rehab. what does that do to the prosecution s argument? i think both cash helps in hertz both sides. now, certainly this is a across different forms of prosecution. you make an argument that you use cash when you re trying to hide your tracks. it s also tough for for prosecutor just because you can t track cash in the same way if somebody is writing checks are having backstage or wires or venmo, even there s a record of it, cash is just harder to track, but certainly there s it s well established in the law that prosecutors often point to the use of cash as a means of concealing misconduct part of this it s a bit heavy and emotional and personal. you re having people that you were close to in your life testify about things that i m sure hundred biden regrets and certainly doesn t want out publicly, but i m curious about how you think the jury absorbs what s being said in court. we know that one juror was
Whether or not they re going to get a guilty verdict. right? i think the atmospherics of the case in a way they re approaching it is actually a little bit perhaps shooting themselves in the foot so that defense now we know is very clever. one is saying that this question of being an addict on the day that hunter biden checked that box says, no, i m not not using defense is saying that s the question for the jury because on that day, he had come out of rehab relatively recently and they re going to say in his mind, he was not an addict, then so to counter that the prosecution is apparently kinda using a bludgeoned and kind of effect, which is to try to overwhelm the jury with evidence that he was constantly using drugs, so that he should have known because has to be knowingly made false statement. he should have known he was addicted to drugs. that s a double-edged sword because first of all, difficult always to prove what s in someone s mind. particularly someone who s using other drugs at times and the way they re putting on the evidence with these romantic
Urged him to go to rehab, and would scour his car to ensure their kids didn t find drugs. but under cross-examination, hunter biden s attorney, abbe lowell, got buhle to admit she never saw hunter biden do drugs. former justice department official tom dupree. the key evidence is going to be provided by people who were intimately close with hunter biden. his ex-wife, ex-girlfriends, the like. i can only imagine that this is probably the excruciatingly painful for hunter biden, among other people, to sit in court and hear this. reporter: late today, a former girlfriend, zoe kestan, who dated him for much of 2018, testified hunter biden frequently bought and used crack, at times using a chopstick to clean out his crack pipe. i went one time for 13 days without sleeping, and smoking crack and drinking vodka come exclusively. reporter: kestan said the president s son was using drugs as late as september 2018, weeks before he bought the gun, and again weeks later in nove
There were finally selected today have answered the question that they have family got close family members who had addictions problems, narcotics problems and have been in rehab and so on. some of them had some quite sad tales, one man who did not get chosen but he was very typical, he had a brother and a brother-in-law who were both alcoholics and he said you know, it s a disease, it s tough for them. and the judge also said to jurors, when they were talking about of these issues, i m very sorry to hear that. so just a lot of sympathy for addiction, you are saying in a courtroom now. and that of course is under his major, is that looked, he s just gone through rehab, he was sober at the time that he bought the gun, you know, be kind to him be he has had assuming tragedies. sean: yeah,, certainly the evidence is overwhelming. look i share the sympathy. of known people who have
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And they will allege potential tampering with the gun form that he signed how confident do they feel about trying to argue this, considering that there also is a lot of public material hill about his addiction challenges that he put out there into the public record himself and his book and elsewhere absolutely. no. and no lawyer is going to go in there and say, we don t think we re going to win so abby lows, which is juncture biden s high power attorney is expressed confidence and you could tell by the jury questions that he was really focused on. well, if hunter biden believed he had beaten his addiction at the time he signed the gun form that is going to be a key timing note. now, part of the problem is that as you noted, that there is a lot of evidence to the contrary of him basically going in and out of rehab. and unfortunately for the entire
Juror question. and part of the reason for that is because delaware is sort of ground zero for some of these, especially the opioid crisis it was just really striking that when you re talking about a case that s really going to delve into what is an addict. when does someone stopped being an addict win? in terms of hunter biden at this time was in and out of rehab? you re going to have an audience that is going to have intimate understanding of that system it s really fascinating because again, for those who haven t been paying super close attention to this trial before it started, the question at hand is whether or not a hunter biden effect essentially lied on a form that allowed him to buy a gun by saying he was not addicted to drugs at the time and you report in axios, quote, hunters, a hunter biden s lawyers have signaled they will contest that he knew he was an addict at the time. given he had just finished a short stint in a rehab program
They say he illegally possessed the gun for a week and a half. prosecutors have signaled they may call hunter s ex-wife and hallie biden, the widow of beau biden, hunter s brother. a judge indicated the trial could go at least a couple of weeks. it could go into a third week when you factor in jury deliberations. bill: trey gowdy joins us now. good morning to you. let s talk about the facts, right? hunter was just out of rehab. he put in the application. the application asks whether or not you on drugs. he says no. and he gets the firearm. are those facts in dispute? well, i think the application asked whether or not you are an addict or unlawful user. let s separate the two. addict is probably a medical term. you will need an expert to say whether or not someone is addicted. there are no lawful users of cocaine base. so if this were a valium or
Problem here. that didn t fly. now they are using the generic we can t release the audio and you can t hold me in contempt with that. a lot of issues now. bill: opening statements have begun in the hunter biden trial. they got off to a late start. the prosecutors are laying out a case now. defense will argue is hunter biden wasn t an addict when he filled out the form because he just came out of rehab. prosecutors will show in court, apparently, they claim, that hunter biden was in contact with beau biden s ex-wife and said he was waiting for his drug dealer at the time when he acquired this gun. that s the opening salvo on behalf of the state. it appears there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence that adds to the direct evidence of the form itself as well as the illegal possession of that gun. and in addition to that, in his own words he says in his book beautiful things, in october in
You will have beau biden s widow who was hunter biden s girlfriend at the time testified to all of this. and tell all the details, including how she discarded the gun and then you are probably going to have testimony about how that gun was then found in the trash by somebody that was digging through the trash. so you had all of that together and it is going to be a compelling story for this jury. and i would expect most of these facts to your point are uncontroverted. i don t know how abbe lowell is going to defend this because essentially the elements of the crime are simple. that s one of the things about this case. we won t be talking about jury instructions. this is a well worn path to justice in this case compared to new york city still debating what crime trump was convicted of. harris: the argument for hunter biden has been well he had just gotten out of rehab and he had been a drug user. this woman was so worried about