democratic party, the democratic party left me. i have a question for matt. the book is fantastic, by the way. and where do you think the heart of the movement is? once trump is gone and that towering figure moves on, either is defeated or moves on after another term as president, is that limited government, free speech, three legs of the reagan stool movement just receding or is it still viable? thank you, dude. i m glad to hear you liked the book. i liked yours. i think when you look at the 100-year history, you realize that the right is not one thing. it s many things. and in fact when you take that broader view, the type of conservativism that you and i came of age in and joe did, the reagan conservativism, that may actually have been more of an aberration. i think there s no going back after trump. i think that even if trump doesn t run in 2024 or if he loses the nomination, we ve said it here on the show, desantis is
jonathan karl for chasing him into that elevator. excuse me. really, this is a narrative the democrats can develop if they want to, for the next several months. for two reasons. first of all, on the short term, when it comes to health care, remember that the republican attack on the health care proposed idea for a solution is to go after the question of senate rules. well, if reconciliation is supposed to be undemocratic with a small d, then what you re seeing here is a mockery of senate rules. a guy, a single senator can defy his party, defy the will of the majority and, frankly, hurt people who are at the rough end of this recession by engaging in all sort of senate shenanigans. that s the short term. the longer term and the danger for republicans is they look like they don t care. they look like as they say in other countries, as the party of mean. this is the harsh end of the reagan conservativism that doesn t care about people who are out of work, looking for
democratsirp develop if they want to, for the next several months, for two reasons, first of all on the short term, when it comes to health care, remember that the republican attack on the health care proposed idea for a solution is to go after the question of senate rules. well, if reconciliation is supposed to be undemocratic with a small d, what you re seeing is a mochrie of senate rules, a guy, a single senator can defy the will of the majority and frankly, hurt people who are at the rough end of this session by engaging in senate shenanigans. that s the short term, the longer term is republicans look like they don t care. they look like as they say in other countries, the party of mean. this is the harsh end of the reagan conservativism that doesn t care about people who are out of work, looking for work, or could be out of work because of this kind of
really, this is a narrative the democrats can develop if they want to, for the next several months, for two reasons, first of all on the short term, when it comes to health care, remember that the republican attack on the health care proposed idea for a solution is to go after the question of senate rules. well, if reconciliation is supposed to be undemocratic with a small d, then what you re seeing here is a mockery of senate rules. a guy, a single senator can defy his party, can defy the will of the majority and, frankly, hurt people who are at the rough end of this recession by engaging in senate shenanigans. that s the short term, the longer term is republicans look like they don t care. they look like as they say in other countries, as the party of mean. this is the harsh end of the reagan conservativism that doesn t care about people who are out of work, looking for work, or could be out of work because of this kind of politics. so there are narratives that
must meet before you will vote for them? i don t know if i have a litmus test. i worked for president reagan. i believe in reagan conservativism, bill. i think it s more of a nationalistic economic policy, a prudent strong foreign policy. even an immigration policy that was smart and focused towards more of the american workers, and what s good for the american middle class. remember, when reagan agreed to the enforcement, that was 3 million people. who knows what reagan would say about where we are today. his conservativism was much more skeptical of a very adventurous foreign policy and an economic policy that would be tangled up in all these international trade agreements. so that s where i am. on social issues, obviously i m more of a social conservative. but the party, people will disagree on these issues, and that s fine. i don t think there s anything wrong with that. that s what s happening with