abbott and jen psaki sparring over the legality over the biden administration s vaccine mandate as the fight between white house and republican governors heats up. joining us now for reaction urban reform president and member of the texas advisory committee of the u.s. commission on civil rights charles blane. thank you so much for being with us. thanks for having me, jacqui. jacqui: walk us through, charles, what s your take on where things stand right now. applaud the governor for doing what he did. i think one of the big things that has been a part of the conversation about vaccine and vaccine mandates is that one of the big groups that have been reluctant to get them, they look like me. so we are talking about black and hispanic folks, largely folks who are wage workers who are working public facing jobs so they are really going to feel the crunch of a vaccine mandate. and so with the governor stepping in, it s ensuring that they don t have to make the decision of their livelih