and i just hope everybody who has someone in her family who thinks hillary clinton is a bad person, they should watch willie s interview, they ll walk away with new respect for the woman and the trail she had navigated and how well he has did it. she s deserving of our respect. quickly joe, she goes into great depths about running as a woman. she talked to me about everything that was going through her head. do i confront him or do i make a joke about it. well, she does not stand up to donald trump, how could she stand up to putin. how do you run as a woman? it s not like she had a lot
it may break at the end one way or another. but that break won t come until after the debates and people feel they need to make up the minds. bret: last thing, quickly joe, we have an ipad app. in which people can put up their maps against yours. and karl s. chad gering is the person who submitted it. tell us what this map looks like. green map, he has ohio going with obama. look at the swing states to romney. nevada, iowa, wisconsin. north carolina. virginia. florida. almost all of them. what that shows you is two things, the importance of ohio. that goes with obama or importance of why romney needs to hold it, if he can. and then look at every single one of the states. if romney loses ohio to obama, one of these states goes like iowa. nevada. and he is not at 270 and winning the presidency, it s obama. bret: karl? # 1 different ways there