i want to know what trump actually believed. and pence is the guy in the room, literally in the room where it happens, he will be able to testify about that day. to trump really believe that he won this election? or was he going around saying here s what we are going to do to try to orchestrate a pretend when. because in criminal law criminal intent is the most important thing. that s really what i think these questions are about. you touched on some of these. but if you are questioning pants, because i would surely be careful, what would you ask him? what kind of questions to ask him to get to that level of detail. i go specifically day-by-day. what did trump say to you on this day? what did he say on that day? what did you tell other people? it s almost chronologically? chronologically, and really slowly, and carefully. that s why reports are he was there for more than five hours. this is not a guy who is being brave, this is mr. invertebrate going to washington. pence is n