this for private presidency, is what a new book by a pulitzer prize winner plays. out the the big cheat: how donald trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family by the award-winning trump family expert, david cay johnston tells the disturbing and sprawling story of just how the trump families extravagant lifestyle, and pure open greed, cost the american taxpayer. david cay johnston joins me now to discuss some of the highlights of the big cheat. he s also the author of the 2016 book the making of donald trump, in the founder of d.c. report dot org. david thanks so much for coming back on the show. you write in the book, that there are events lost in the torrent of bad behavior. that was the trump presidency. i know i feel that way. it s hard to keep track of everything that happened during the trump years, and we re still living in shadow. what was the most shopping financial story relating to the 45th president, and all of his kids. what would you offer as a trump support