well, i think you should pick up a copy to find out. and that is my take for are this holiday season. now, let us get started with the program. the end of the year prompts to bring reflection so let s pause at this particular point in time and perhaps how historians will view it. who better to help us with that than two of the finest historians of the day, pull itser prize winners. doris kearns goodwin latest book is leadership in turbulent times and jon meacham s the power of hope. he occasionally advises joe biden on his tore cal speeches and present matters. we were having a conversation,