On them. i know secretary-general just visited kyiv, and he said they failed, but, you know what, we need to have that attitude like at the failure is not an option. we need to figure out how we can stop this insanity and international community to put pressure. if russia wants to exist as a country, they need to get to the table. is there a point at which i understand the arguments, the rational for not risking a direct military conflict with russia, is there a point in your view where direct military involvement might be necessary? russia s making some advances in the east, if they re able to, say, surround ukrainian forces there? is there a point where your mind changes and says, no, we have to get involved? well, i think there are different ways how we can get involved now. i think there is providing property security assistance for ukrainians to fight the battle