disillusionment with donald trump and the idea that maybe he has not defended them, that they might want to come out and say, yeah, i was talking to this person and i was talking to that person and here s the message i was getting, is that what you re saying, jeremy? i think it s a possibility. i don t have any insight into what the proud boys leadership is thinking or any of the people subpoenaed by the commission. but as you said, there is a legal of disillusionment from some of them. part of trumptrump s problem wis movement is it will never be enough. some of these people, they re so radicalized and hard core that they ve essentially outpaced trump with the crazy. and it s a very hard thing to control. it s uncontrollable, frankly. and you re dealing with folks who are not really rational actors and you just can t