translator: it s quite long, mr. macron. yes, we are a poor party, but this is not shameful. translator: i never thought it s shameful. my problem, mrs. le pen, i hope you ll recognize, is that all this creates a dependence. translator: i have no dependence other than repaying my loan, mr. macron. translator: but your loan was not contracted with just any bank, even for russia, but with the interests, power, and everyone will be able to verify it, and so you need to own up to it. that s all. own up to it, mrs. le pen. reporter: from russia, the candidates moved on to europe. on one hand, macron, the pro european federalist, on the other, marine le pen, while she s come back from more euroskeptic positions of the last few years, still wants to see europe reformed in order that it become a much looser alliance of sovereign nations. translator: let me say to emmanuel macron that there is no european sovereignty because there is no european people. there is a sovereignty when t